Manual Saw System

[Stormin_Norman]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

Hello 50 Club, TheSecret... Everyone.

 

in a normal chart, the indicator might cross down when the price goes down, but when the price bounces within the Candle time (Before closing the Candle) The indicator would bounce back and the crossing which was seen wouldn't exist anymore.

 

That is why in the Manual System, I ask not to Buy/Sell till the current Candle close, and the Next Candle opens.

 

50Club, in your indicator, it would cross down when price goes down, but if the price bounces up, the Indicator would stay Down.

 

That is why you are getting sooooo many signals, and most of them are losers.

 

Once that gets fixed, then we can discuss the settings.

 

Manual system has false signals also. Indicators are based on price action, so on candle after cross price can retrace and cross isnt there 15 sec after, so when u look at the chart for previous signals U would think that u wouldnt enter at that time when in reality u would! So forward test is a must, or Trading Simulator-http://depositfiles.com/en/files/5qmte0163.

 

one way to solve the problem with false signals is to enter on the next bar open, once the signals have been set.

[tasha1713006031]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

Hello thank you to all for all the hard work DaSimplify looks good the template great :arrow:

[ranger_lp]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

If MT4 is crashing, rebuild the indicators on your MT4 system. Issue should go away....

 

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[club50]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

one way to solve the problem with false signals is to enter on the next bar open, once the signals have been set.

 

Exactly what do you mean by "being set"..

 

OK.. I know most of you have already heard this.. And "I Promise" I wont discuss it again...

 

When a bar closes all you are seeing is the last tick during that period (time frame).. bar(0) becoming bar(1)..

 

What happens if several good triggers are presented during the bars formation (currently bar0) and for some reason the very last tick of the bar is not a good trigger.. Then when the bar closes (and becomes bar1) all you see is what the very last tick looks like.. Even if the previous 200 ticks all had good triggers.. And when the next tick arrives and a new bar opens you may indeed again start receiving good triggers.. So you would not have traded based on the 1 bad tick.. If you are on a 15 minute chart all that did was to cause you to wait 14 something minutes to see what the last tick looked like.. Just turn MT4 on and then back off every 15 minutes and you would get the same result.. And -- if all the previous bar ticks were good; you ended up waiting 14 something minutes to place your trade.. You could have made good money during the 14 minutes you waited.. A 15 minute chart would give you 4 bar closings to look at 1 tick each.. 4 ticks during an hour of data is NOT a good plan... Imagine if you were on an hourly chart, you get 1 tick to look at in an hour.. HELL, I can probably do better throwing darts at a Go Long/Go Short sign on the wall.. The real players in this industry dont even use 1 minutes charts.. They are usually dealing with charts that display ticks in groups of 10, 20, 60 and dont have anything to do with time.. Other than when its 3 o'clock and time to go home

 

Sure wish more people understood how the data stream works.. The data stream doesnt know when a bar starts or stops.. The Charting program splits up the data into bars for ease of presentation.. But a closed bar only has 2 ticks presented (Open & Close) no matter how much data was received during the bars formation.. Pasts bar are only good for general trend analysis.. And thats about it.. Everything happens on the current bar (bar(0)).. All your really good indicators due their stuff on current price action in bar0.. Hince the phrase Non-Lagging.. And even some of the "Non-Laggers" really do lag, but dont tell the developer....

 

And by the way there are no false signals in the stuff I create.. I do as much as I can in the current bar. The false signals as you call them are caused by using indicators that have not been tweeked for their best performance.. Or using too tight of tolerences.. But the signals (triggers as I call them) are always REAL using the calculations that are presentated in that time of the current data stream (tick).. There are NO BARS in the data stream..

 

Whew enough of that.. I'm done..

[DaSimplify]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

one way to solve the problem with false signals is to enter on the next bar open, once the signals have been set.

 

Exactly what do you mean by "being set"..

 

OK.. I know most of you have already heard this.. And "I Promise" I wont discuss it again...

 

When a bar closes all you are seeing is the last tick during that period (time frame).. bar(0) becoming bar(1)..

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But the signals (triggers as I call them) are always REAL using the calculations that are presentated in that time of the current data stream (tick).. There are NO BARS in the data stream..

 

Whew enough of that.. I'm done..

Yeah...Club50 was using ticks.....

btw, Clob50, have u seen my modified version?

u can see what I'm edited and added, without modifying your ticks method.

(but I added some terms in newbar() to fix the flag.)

please take a look at previous page.

[Abdulisback]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

Hello thank you to all for all the hard work DaSimplify looks good the template great :arrow:

 

Thats what I ask to do in the PDF.

 

I think what is generating the problem here is the bad setting on MT4, we must adjust the settings and find the ones that EXACTLY matches FXAccu chart.

 

Once that is done, then everything else can ba studied and solved.

[DaSimplify]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

Hello thank you to all for all the hard work DaSimplify looks good the template great :arrow:

 

Thats what I ask to do in the PDF.

 

I think what is generating the problem here is the bad setting on MT4, we must adjust the settings and find the ones that EXACTLY matches FXAccu chart.

 

Once that is done, then everything else can ba studied and solved.

 

So, Are they exact what u wish for, brother?

If YES, so we can go to the next step...

the modified version, club50's is exact what u wanted.

william's, already filter when indicator flip back.

 

So...What's your next command, Abdul? :mrgreen:

[Abdulisback]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

Hi, Please post the fixed ones.

 

As Thesecret have stated, it does crashes the MT4

 

Thank you bro :arrow:

[yiweiw]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

Hi Guys

 

I find out MACD Forest in FXAccu is MACD Histogram in metatrader,

Momentum in FXAccu is same as Momentum in metatrader,

but the problem is Directional Movement System is big difference with Average Directional Movement Index in metatrader

because in FXAccu they used Close, High and Low, but in metatrader only can choose High or Low or Close, you can not combine together.

I think anyone can figure this problem, we will make it works!

 

thanks!

[DaSimplify]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

Hi, Please post the fixed ones.

As Thesecret have stated, it does crashes the MT4

Thank you bro :arrow:

Have u tried them, Abdul?

I have tested and retested....but nothing crash....

 

 

Hi Guys

I find out MACD Forest in FXAccu is MACD Histogram in metatrader,

Momentum in FXAccu is same as Momentum in metatrader,

but the problem is Directional Movement System is big difference with Average Directional Movement Index in metatrader

because in FXAccu they used Close, High and Low, but in metatrader only can choose High or Low or Close, you can not combine together.

I think anyone can figure this problem, we will make it works!

thanks!

please look at my previous post in previous page(page 20).

I already modified them exactly same as AccuFXChart's.

[Abdulisback]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

Hi Guys

 

I find out MACD Forest in FXAccu is MACD Histogram in metatrader,

Momentum in FXAccu is same as Momentum in metatrader,

but the problem is Directional Movement System is big difference with Average Directional Movement Index in metatrader

because in FXAccu they used Close, High and Low, but in metatrader only can choose High or Low or Close, you can not combine together.

I think anyone can figure this problem, we will make it works!

 

thanks!

 

I have tried William Indicator, and couldn't give it a pass, the ADX as you have stated does not match.

 

ok, lets forget about all the work that has been done so far when it comes to Coding indicators. We will get back to it later. but for now. Only post your indicators (the Three MACD, Fixed ADX and Momentum) with your settings. Lets focus on the settings issue.

[tgt123]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

Hi, Please post the fixed ones.

 

As Thesecret have stated, it does crashes the MT4

 

Thank you bro :arrow:

 

Please try putting the mq4 files together with ex4 file together in same MT4's indicator, it won't crash anymore

[yiweiw]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

Hi, Please post the fixed ones.

As Thesecret have stated, it does crashes the MT4

Thank you bro :arrow:

Have u tried them, Abdul?

I have tested and retested....but nothing crash....

 

 

Hi Guys

I find out MACD Forest in FXAccu is MACD Histogram in metatrader,

Momentum in FXAccu is same as Momentum in metatrader,

but the problem is Directional Movement System is big difference with Average Directional Movement Index in metatrader

because in FXAccu they used Close, High and Low, but in metatrader only can choose High or Low or Close, you can not combine together.

I think anyone can figure this problem, we will make it works!

thanks!

please look at my previous post in previous page(page 20).

I already modified them exactly same as AccuFXChart's.

 

 

Hi DaSimplify

 

Can you download one FXAccu and install on your pc,

if you same time check the directional movement system in FXAccu and Average Directional movement index in metatrader, you will see the big difference, in FXAccu the PDI and MDI more smooth than in metatrader,

in metatrader, you use iADX only can select High or Low Close , but if you check in FXAccu use Analysis Tools Editor for the Directional Movement system, they combin with Base1.Close, Base1.High,Base1.Low. that is the point I want to say!!!

 

thanks!

[DaSimplify]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

If MT4 is crashing, rebuild the indicators on your MT4 system. Issue should go away....

 

thanks brother...

[DaSimplify]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

Hi DaSimplify

Can you download one FXAccu and install on your pc,

if you same time check the directional movement system in FXAccu and Average Directional movement index in metatrader, you will see the big difference, in FXAccu the PDI and MDI more smooth than in metatrader,

in metatrader, you use iADX only can select High or Low Close , but if you check in FXAccu use Analysis Tools Editor for the Directional Movement system, they combin with Base1.Close, Base1.High,Base1.Low. that is the point I want to say!!!

thanks!

 

Smoother? how about the value? have u compare them?

If the value different, it's normal, because u can see the price in each platform..They're different.

I already compare two of platform..

btw, if u say that mt4 just have two value, u make big mistake....

u can see it here:

http://docs.mql4.com/indicators/iADX

in the mode, u can choose 3 different mode...

MODE_MAIN 0 Base indicator line.

MODE_PLUSDI 1 +DI indicator line.

MODE_MINUSDI 2 -DI indicator line.

it's same as AccuFX...

Please analyse before comment. Thanks.

 

 

@Abdul:

okay...I'll make it.

[DaSimplify]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

I have tried William Indicator, and couldn't give it a pass, the ADX as you have stated does not match.

ok, lets forget about all the work that has been done so far when it comes to Coding indicators. We will get back to it later. but for now. Only post your indicators (the Three MACD, Fixed ADX and Momentum) with your settings. Lets focus on the settings issue.

 

I have post them(3 indicators in page20).

 

what do u mean William's doesn't match with ADX?

in william's, for ADX rules, just compare (PLUS and MINUS) DI of the (current and past) bar .

[sgteo]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

A big thank you to Abdulisback for sharing his SAW system..

and DaSimplify, Club50 and others who participate in developing the EA... this is really cool..

 

Cant wait to learn and test the EA.. :P Keep up the great work..

[Abdulisback]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

I have tried William Indicator, and couldn't give it a pass, the ADX as you have stated does not match.

ok, lets forget about all the work that has been done so far when it comes to Coding indicators. We will get back to it later. but for now. Only post your indicators (the Three MACD, Fixed ADX and Momentum) with your settings. Lets focus on the settings issue.

 

I have post them(3 indicators in page20).

 

what do u mean William's doesn't match with ADX?

in william's, for ADX rules, just compare (PLUS and MINUS) DI of the (current and past) bar .

 

Hi,

Brother Dasimplify... you need to open the FXAccu chart and compare the crossings of the ADX indicator with our Moving System Indicator. on the 15 minute chart, every Cross you see on the FXAccu chart, you look at the time it happened, then you look back at the MT4 and see if it Matches with the same time of crossing.

[DaSimplify]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

Hi,

Brother Dasimplify... you need to open the FXAccu chart and compare the crossings of the ADX indicator with our Moving System Indicator. on the 15 minute chart, every Cross you see on the FXAccu chart, you look at the time it happened, then you look back at the MT4 and see if it Matches with the same time of crossing.

 

Haha....I think u had made mistake here my brother, Abdul...

Here are task I want u to do....

1. Please look at time server in AccuFX and your metatrader.. please tell me.

2. What GMT for your metatrader and AccuFX? please tell me.

 

If they are same time server(same GMT), so that's my mistake.. :arrow:

[Abdulisback]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

You dont need the GMT time

 

Just count the candles, in both MT4 and FXAccu

 

Count from right to left, that should do

[DaSimplify]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

You dont need the GMT time

Just count the candles, in both MT4 and FXAccu

Count from right to left, that should do

 

They can't 100% exact/same....

because they have different datafeed.

if u look closer for every each bar...they have different open/close price and anything else.

that's why we can't 100% same each other.

[Abdulisback]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

You dont need the GMT time

Just count the candles, in both MT4 and FXAccu

Count from right to left, that should do

 

They can't 100% exact/same....

because they have different datafeed.

if u look closer for every each bar...they have different open/close price and anything else.

that's why we can't 100% same each other.

 

Yes, I understand... A few pips from here and there wont be a problem.

 

But if the settings are different, then the difference would be huge.

[DaSimplify]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

Yes, I understand... A few pips from here and there wont be a problem.

But if the settings are different, then the difference would be huge.

uhmm...the settings in the code are original...

I didn't modify the value...

What I've done just represent the value directly.

here they are:

ADX = iADX(NULL, 0, ADXPeriod, PRICE_CLOSE, MODE_MAIN, i);

PLUS = iADX(NULL, 0, ADXPeriod, PRICE_CLOSE, MODE_PLUSDI, i);

MINUS = iADX(NULL, 0, ADXPeriod, PRICE_CLOSE, MODE_MINUSDI, i);

 

What about the period? I think I think if DMI in AccuFX =14, so does in mt4, just like MACD and MACDForest.

 

but, however...I'll do reanalyse....cause u have said that's different...

And I believe that's must be something not right inside.

[Abdulisback]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

Hi,

 

I have found something which I think might help a lot.

 

I will transelate it and post it here. Hopefully will get it ready on Sunday, I think if we get it combined, then problems should be solved.

 

Till Sunday :peace:

[tgt123]

Re: My Amazing Manual Saw System!

 

tgt123 wrote:

Thanks Abdulisback. Can't wait to try SAW EA and the Gift.

 

My humble suggestion for SAW EA is, why not incorporate Hector Forex Strategy which using 3 SMA ( 30, 50, 100 ) for Trend Direction filter? Meaning trade toward the direction of these 3 SMA ( The Setup ), but entry with SAW system in 15 Chart.

 

When there is a cross bewteen those 3 SMA there will be no trade ( sideway or false breakout ), we trade only when thise 3 SMA are well separate, as Hector said that "Looking for Healthy Trend!"

 

O.k. Well. My humble opinion.

 

Best Regard

 

tgt123

 

Thanks Abdulisback for allowing to add "somethings spicy" to the EA. Sorry to bother DaSimplify , he must be headache :o Thanks Mr. DaSimplify!!!

 

 

from Abdulisback

This is by far the best suggestion someone came up with for the SAW EA project.

 

I have a similar Idea which I will present on Sunday. But please do present your idea in my thread, and lets see what the guys might think about it.

 

Very interesting.

 

Cheers Bro