yc0137 Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 All markets. I now do ES and CL. timo, is there a real difference between Dlpal and the earlier APS (Automatic Pattern Search)? The 'Deep Learning' seems to imply neural networks, but if the generated code is just looking at past price bar patterns, then it is very likely that this is just a marketing trick. Do you have the earlier released APS to compare the output? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
⭐ laser1000it Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 Yes, I remember I run across this when I got an educated version before I purchased license. Not only silent date but scrambles the code based on some rules so it is useless and gives bad results. Timo, jaa D koulutettuja , jos se on mahdollista ! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timo Posted April 26, 2019 Report Share Posted April 26, 2019 timo, is there a real difference between Dlpal and the earlier APS (Automatic Pattern Search)? The 'Deep Learning' seems to imply neural networks, but if the generated code is just looking at past price bar patterns, then it is very likely that this is just a marketing trick. Do you have the earlier released APS to compare the output? Regards I don't have the APS and don't see that important if it works. I want to get the DLPAL LS one but denied even after offering 4K for year because I'm not pro trader. I am trying to get it through a friend who works in fund. This is goodies h**p://www.priceactionlab.com/Blog/2019/04/low-risk-equity-long-short/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixer Posted April 27, 2019 Report Share Posted April 27, 2019 (edited) timo, thanks for the Blog link. The equity curve for the two shown strategies is a SHOCK. It`s similar to chart of the S&P since 2018 ?! Compare it the equity curves from Erlanger Research: http://www.erlangerresearch.com/performance.asp More details in the Ciana book - New Frontiers in Technical Analysis: https://www.sendspace.com/file/n1qyhj Sixer Edited April 27, 2019 by Sixer Traderbeauty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuco Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 I don't have the APS and don't see that important if it works. I want to get the DLPAL LS one but denied even after offering 4K for year because I'm not pro trader. I am trying to get it through a friend who works in fund. This is goodies h**p://www.priceactionlab.com/Blog/2019/04/low-risk-equity-long-short/ Can You try to get from your friend a script generated by DLPAL LS in Tradestation? Chance are that It should be quite easy to use the generated code, apply some modifications on it and run by ourself without need to use the software... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixer Posted April 28, 2019 Report Share Posted April 28, 2019 tuco, in the Trader Tips of the S&C Magazine are a lot of Trading strategies/systems for the Tradestation platform which have a better equity curve than DLPAL LS !! http://technical.traders.com/content/backissuearchive.asp Sixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuco Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 tuco, in the Trader Tips of the S&C Magazine are a lot of Trading strategies/systems for the Tradestation platform which have a better equity curve than DLPAL LS !! http://technical.traders.com/content/backissuearchive.asp Sixer Can You post some pages that You think are worth to check? Anyway I am not interested so much in the equity curve per se, rather in the method of generation of new systems. The reasons is that is the method (or idea) how we arrive at a generated system that can provide some protection against overfitting and other issues. Of course how we handle the process too. Overfitting is not often recognized. However when is recognized is often too late. Anyway I think I could easily use the same process of DLPAL S with more flexibility and more useful settings. If someone has the script generated by Dlpal S and would like to share I am available to share the way to handle it. Right now I am working on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tradermen Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 Dlpal uses relationship of O,H,L,C from last day, last 2,3,4,5,6 days (or more). Then you select a %profit and stop loss. All of that can be tested also in amibroker. Also, you can had aditional stuff if you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
⭐ laser1000it Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 DLpal need only EOD data ? So if it is really from my side 4K USD It's a rip-off ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuco Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 I have the code of DLPAL. I am interested of LS version. Can be EOD or any timeframe You may want to backtest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elsner Posted April 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 @ Sixer The equity curves from DLPAL are all based on: - End of Day - Out of Sample - without Leverage - with fixed Target and StopLoss (mostly 2%) to show the crude predictive power and robustness of the patterns. They are the base for developing trading systems ... @tuco The output of DLPAL S for the patterns look like this in Tradestation Code: c[4] > c[1] AND c[1] > c[2] AND c[2] > c[0] AND c[0] > c[3] ;FDAX_10min_2013.txt;LONG;Close;0.2;0.2;% c[4] > c[1] AND c[1] > h[2] AND h[2] > c[0] AND c[0] > c[3] AND c[3] > l[2] ;FDAX_10min_2013.txt;LONG;Close;0.2;0.2;% // OHLC; market; based on close; Target; StopLoss;percent or points Personal note: in intraday the win rate of the patterns drops significantly; seen the other way: which timeframe is best for trading ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuco Posted April 29, 2019 Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 @elsner I think DLPAL LS the version that is not sold to retailers has some proprietary calculation. I am looking for that. I agree with your vision regarding daily-intraday. Have You tried to see how perform the script on the commodities daily charts? (CL-GC etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elsner Posted April 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2019 @ tuco no, havn´t tried GC or other commodities. You are looking for the p-indicator, which is also based on price patterns: hxxp://www.priceactionlab.com/Blog/2012/01/what-is-the-p-indicator/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonw Posted April 30, 2019 Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 @tuco The output of DLPAL S for the patterns look like this in Tradestation Code: c[4] > c[1] AND c[1] > c[2] AND c[2] > c[0] AND c[0] > c[3] ;FDAX_10min_2013.txt;LONG;Close;0.2;0.2;% c[4] > c[1] AND c[1] > h[2] AND h[2] > c[0] AND c[0] > c[3] AND c[3] > l[2] ;FDAX_10min_2013.txt;LONG;Close;0.2;0.2;% // OHLC; market; based on close; Target; StopLoss;percent or points Personal note: in intraday the win rate of the patterns drops significantly; seen the other way: which timeframe is best for trading ... Elsner, the file "FDAX_10min_2013.txt" must contain the price history of the symbol that is researched, Yes ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elsner Posted April 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2019 Yes Sir must contain price history noonw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timo Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 @elsner I think DLPAL LS the version that is not sold to retailers has some proprietary calculation. I am looking for that. I agree with your vision regarding daily-intraday. Have You tried to see how perform the script on the commodities daily charts? (CL-GC etc) DLPAL S is fine with intraday. DLPAL LS seems different program for HF work and portfolio long-short and does not generate code but some files for each symbol that contain probabilities and other stuff. The performance in the link was unleveraged and if you look at DD you can leverage this. This looks to me very advanced technique in DLPAL LS but not demo for retail only for funds they give full version for some time to test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timo Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 timo, thanks for the Blog link. The equity curve for the two shown strategies is a SHOCK. It`s similar to chart of the S&P since 2018 ?! Sixer Similar to S&P but long-short if you read the details, example is the 2008 return. This is strategy for funds to hedge in bear market and still gets the S&P performance with little DD. This is what HF managers look for I do not think they trade the retail systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuco Posted May 1, 2019 Report Share Posted May 1, 2019 Thank You Timo I appreciate your insights. timo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matifx Posted June 3, 2019 Report Share Posted June 3, 2019 DLPAL LS seen this in fund during interview trader was using it and said good results it looked different from other soft. Any educated guess? http://wxx.priceactionlab.com/Blog/price-action-lab-software/#dlpalls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timo Posted June 11, 2019 Report Share Posted June 11, 2019 I bought the lower priced new version after trying the demo. It paid for itself after few trades. Cool software having fun with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noonw Posted June 12, 2019 Report Share Posted June 12, 2019 I bought the lower priced new version after trying the demo. exactly which version - q, s or ls ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timo Posted July 11, 2019 Report Share Posted July 11, 2019 LS but I also have the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raokr Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 Could you please reupload the files. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raokr Posted February 2, 2020 Report Share Posted February 2, 2020 https://www80.zippyshare.com/v/cIUTGwEO/file.html - DLPALDQ https://www80.zippyshare.com/v/wpdWj5ZB/file.html - DLPALS Good luck to you with the old demo versions! Could you please reupload. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daya Posted July 9, 2023 Report Share Posted July 9, 2023 Please re upload as Zippi is down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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