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Peter I dont know what to say man, its seriously not going to work if the NT servers can connect to it.

I know you think you are blocking it but clearly if you are getting the key from the NT servers it can also get other things from the NT servers to crash the program that you are not going to see.

Its known to have backdoors the NT guys can connect to.

I have been cracking programs for 10 years and I can tell you software like this has to have 0 connection to the people who make it.

I know it is currently being worked on to remove any license check from the actual code but its going to take ages because of the reflector obfuscation.

Reflector is one of the dirtiest nastiest scramblers ever to exist yet but it can be re built it just takes freakin ages.

One thing people dont understand is, they are not going to ban 6.5 from being used any time soon just have a look how many betas there have been it should tell you this is an ongoing thing.

Even if they did block 6.5 we can change the version info easily to make the server think its 7.

The domain kinetick.com is for sale!For $275!This obviously means the devs are not even interested in pursuing it.

Hey nate what do you mean by it doesn't work?

From what I read on their site it says it only works on equities stock like apple Microsoft etc.

The license surely works but I dont have data for stocks cos I only trade futures can someone try it on stocks to see if it works?

I think it works on volume on the site it shows the guy is using Esignal so you might need a proper data connection with historical volume data.

http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/public/review/www.topdogtrading.com

That site is no good for feedback the owner Dimitri- Felix homogratus is a confirmed long time scammer other scammers pay him to put favorable feedback.

Its MMCD its here

http://indo-investasi.com/showthread.php/8886-quot-quot-REQ-quot-quot-FLUX-PROFESSIONAL-TOOL-SET-for-NINJATRADER

Hey BD, I got the samething, so that is why I uploaded my indicators to see if it could help someone. It seems that the xml is wrong and that the hex in wpe may need to be used again to check it out.

Yeah yours are the same they work fine thing but it doesn't have that Fibs_Pro_Trader one nextgen has.

I cant believe they sell them for $16500 :))

I think the dll's might be expired or for a different version of NT?

Because they just wont load I get a similar thing with some of the EOT indicators bills arrows etc.

No we can't work to overcome the last step because its not the last step, the method you are using will never work, the machine must be blocked from NT servers, or it will never work.Beta14 is not already solved, because that method requires opening up access to NT servers, and also it is not multibroker live.Im ok with Beta 14, im sure there will be Beta 975.

But it needs to be a totally local fix with no access to NT servers.

I was not fighting with anyone just asking questions and making comments.

Hi I tried the Mt Predictor but from what I remember of someone who unfortunately paid for it.

It always had issues with the analysis and the other functions not working properly.

This is why they give a money back refund - $250 training fee which they keep because they know many will think its no good and want a refund and they want to make $250.

Hi where is thread of original not cracked ones?

Thanks

All the things you get using the sim key is the full version.

But you have to add providers for multi broker and add in a part for live trading.

One thing you could try is uninstalling beta 20 which used https.

And trying it with beta 14 which doesn't that way you know its nothing about certificates.

Yes!! That's what I'm doing!

 

There is still something else that is being checked though because even if I leave it at 'SimulationOnly' (which I'm positive should work) it still bombs out. By me changing it to back to 'SimulationOnly' this guarantees that I'm generating a license file that is identical to what I would be pulling from NTs servers. I'm still convinced that we have the key exchange part figured out and that there is something else being checked here.

Yeah this is what im saying if you leave the NT domains open, not block them in host file, they can later send something through that messes it up this used to happen when people tried this MITM with 6.5

it lists the providers under licensed features.

You know like,

<LicensedFeatures>

<LicensedFeature>AccountGroups</LicensedFeature>

<LicensedFeature>AutomatedTrading</LicensedFeature>

<LicensedFeature>AdvancedStrategyManagement</LicensedFeature>

<LicensedFeature>BasicEntry</LicensedFeature>

<LicensedFeature>Charting</LicensedFeature>

<LicensedFeature>ChartTrader</LicensedFeature>

<LicensedFeature>CreditManagement</LicensedFeature>

<LicensedFeature>DataConnection</LicensedFeature>

<LicensedFeature>LicenseManagement</LicensedFeature>

<LicensedFeature>LiveTrading</LicensedFeature>

<LicensedFeature>Server</LicensedFeature>

<LicensedFeature>SystemDevelopment</LicensedFeature>

<LicensedFeature>SuperDom</LicensedFeature>

<LicensedFeature>SuperDomRoyalties</LicensedFeature>

<LicensedFeature>TrackExecutions</LicensedFeature>

</LicensedFeatures>

<LicensedProviders>

<Provider>Gain</Provider>

<Provider>MBTrading</Provider>

<Provider>InteractiveBrokers</Provider>

<Provider>Patsystems</Provider>

<Provider>TrackData</Provider>

<Provider>CyberTrader</Provider>

<Provider>Photon</Provider>

<Provider>TradingTechnologies</Provider>

<Provider>FFastFill</Provider>

<Provider>RolfeAndNolan</Provider>

<Provider>Tda</Provider>

<Provider>Hosted</Provider>

</LicensedProviders>

<LicenseType>Regular</LicenseType>

It doesn't just say -ALL- it manually lists them and I guess with 7 there will be different ones than 6.5?

Yes you are getting the key it sends back from NT servers, intercepting it and transfer the right key back to the program right?

With the license changed to regular.

So if you can do this then what is the problem?You can change it to multibroker live right?

So could you upload the files to make it work as multibroker live?

I mean if you can change it to 'regular' you can change all the other things right?

Another problem with this is, the license checks for the indicators and systems from vendors.

As we have to block NT domains in host file.

Thanks

Look 1 minute apart not even opened and closed NT7, and its sending different keys and getting different matching keys back.

GET /tools/NtLicense.php?lc=My License Key&ky=FFD3488DD2D242C89A17E4F4BE1E73A0 HTTP/1.1..Host: www.ninjatrader-support2.com....

HTTP/1.1 200 OK..Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 00:33:00 GMT..Server: Apache/2.2.15 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.15 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 PHP/5.2.13..X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.13..Content-Length: 805..Content-Type: text/html....<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-16"?>.<LicenseData xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance">. <EndDate>2097-12-31T00:00:00.0000000+00:00</EndDate>. <Id>My License key</Id>. <LicensedFeatures>. <LicensedFeature>BasicEntry</LicensedFeature>. <LicensedFeature>Charting</LicensedFeature>. <LicensedFeature>LiveTrading</LicensedFeature>. <LicensedFeature>DataConnection</LicensedFeature>. <LicensedFeature>SystemDevelopment</LicensedFeature>. </LicensedFeatures>. <LicensedProviders>. <Provider>Gain</Provider>. <Provider>Hosted</Provider>. </LicensedProviders>. <LicenseType>Regular</LicenseType>. <StartDate>2010-07-15T00:00:00.0000000+00:00</StartDate>. <Key>002EF5D31FD037F41CAF8F08838E5904</Key>..</LicenseData>.

GET /tools/NtLicense.php?lc=My License Key&ky=E5A4543C4594490DB8DCDD2E67AEC7E7 HTTP/1.1..Host: www.ninjatrader-support2.com........

HTTP/1.1 200 OK..Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 00:34:12 GMT..Server: Apache/2.2.15 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.15 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635 PHP/5.2.13..X-Powered-By: PHP/5.2.13..Content-Length: 805..Content-Type: text/html....<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-16"?>.<LicenseData xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance">. <EndDate>2097-12-31T00:00:00.0000000+00:00</EndDate>. <Id>My License Key</Id>. <LicensedFeatures>. <LicensedFeature>BasicEntry</LicensedFeature>. <LicensedFeature>Charting</LicensedFeature>. <LicensedFeature>LiveTrading</LicensedFeature>. <LicensedFeature>DataConnection</LicensedFeature>. <LicensedFeature>SystemDevelopment</LicensedFeature>. </LicensedFeatures>. <LicensedProviders>. <Provider>Gain</Provider>. <Provider>Hosted</Provider>. </LicensedProviders>. <LicenseType>Regular</LicenseType>. <StartDate>2010-07-15T00:00:00.0000000+00:00</StartDate>. <Key>646D0BFE0B6535A90A56F4A2C3B4E78D</Key>..</LicenseData>.

Both of us have tried starting up the software using our key 'grabbing' mechanism but it fails (not because of the key) but because there is another 'check' happening - we think that the software might be checking something inside of the SSL certificate.

It is sending a different key, it IS because of the key.

I have tested this 100 times with WPEpro., it gives http ok, but because the key is wrong it wont verify the license.

We aren't 'generating' the keys, we are simply grabbing the 'generated' key from THEIR server.

I know, so am I.

https://www.ninjatrader-support2.com/tools/NtLicense.php?lc=@SIM-DRBT-D593-40B1-AE74-C79F-715D-1952&ky=123456789012345678901234567890

 

It returns a license file, correct? Look inside of the license file and you'll see the key that THEY generated and you'll also see that the LicenseType is 'SimulationOnly'.

Next time it sends &ky183746352454536253839482514263, and expects a corresponding key to come back.

You are sending back the key for 123456789012345678901234567890

They are different keys!!

Think about it... all of the information is THERE. It's up to you what you do with it or how you 'change' it.

 

Please forgive me for not handing you the answer but this practically spells it out...

All the information is NOT there, they are different keys each time it checks.

It needs to generate the corresponding key for the next different one it sent.

I know the answer, ive already given it to you.

zeraw, ok I know what you are saying, I am doing the same thing, you guys are just not getting what im saying.

I can get the key which is sent and the key which is sent back from their server this is no problem.

What im trying to tell you is, the keys are different each time, each time it gets the license file, either from NT server or our local server spoof.

The NT program itself is generating a random key its sending, based on an algorithm inside the program itself.

Which has to have another random generated key come back in the license packet, which has to match the previous key generated by the algo in NT.

You can not just capture the key it sends back the time you have it connected to the NT server, and put this in the license file, and use the local server spoof.

Because next time it sends a different key which has to match.

For example it send this key, 12345678 it sends back this key, 87654321, and they match so it verifies the packet.

Next time it checks it sends this key, 63526329 and send this one back 84731927.

So if you put the original key, 87654321, in the license file, this next time it checks it doesn't match the sent key!

And so on and so on.

1.We need to get the key structure from NT itself, the algorithm that generates the keys.

2.We need something in the local server which reads this key, generates another matching key and send it back in the license packet.

OR

3.Have to remove key checking from NT, which is very hard because the code is obfuscated and you have to re map from memory and re write most of it just to see everything to read it properly.

Hi I am relaxed.

I am not trying to do this for fun im doing it to get it working thats my objective.

So if you could be straight to the point it would be kind.

I dont get what you mean by "why try to guess the algorithm when there is already someone that knows it?"

"Maybe someone that built the software?"

What do you mean by this?

My question is, with Beta 14 as an example, have you tried to start it up using the local server license?

Using your key generation?Did it work?Can you try this?

If so, can you upload the key generation files?

Thankyou

Thankyou that worked.

When I went to edit ninjascript and select an indicator NT would crash.

So I selected strategy and it opened, and I added WTD.dll now welcome trader works and I can import export no problem.

To start with, they are using SSL encryption to pass the license information back and fourth between the client and the server.

No they aren't look here its http traffic.

http://www.imgplace.com/viewimg137/1523/85ntlicensetraffic.png

Broker/data connection is SSL.

http://www.imgplace.com/viewimg441/9180/93zenfirehttps.png

I think you not get the keys right, you cant just put any keys, its algorithm to generate keys.

Are you saying you have extracted the algo that generates keys in NT program?

And have it on other end to send right key?

You can have middleman intercept all you like, how you know if keys are right?

If they dont match it wont work.

For example NT send key 12345678 and it needs abcdefgh to be sent back.

Next time its something else, they have to match from the algo that generates them.

I think is nothing to do with SSL certificates just to validate the program to run locally.

Because only diff in the license file info being sent from 6.5 is the KEY

I find many of the 6.5 indicators import and work on 7.

But not the paid ones that load from dll's it gives unable to retrieve type infos from assembly error.

Have you even got NT7 cracked version?

I dont know what you guys mean by SSL, its showing only as http to validate the key.

GET /tools/NtLicense.php?lc=@REG&ky=B6D4E7CA8141479C9AB632B7A4CBAC9E

But it needs something in the local server to generate a key to send back, but I dont see this as happening over SSL.

I cant get past the key how have you got past the key?

And also dont bother trying to modify dll because its encrypted and scrambled.

The only way I see to do that is to completely re write the files which is hard and takes ages.