champion2008

Publish your trading results (live or demo, doesn't matter) on myfxbook, MT4i, MT4Stats, MT4Live, etc. Until then, STFU.

I came by again to reply as requested.

 

The thing I first want to do is make sure Hank knows I am not against him in any way.

 

I am convinced through my experience with you, Hank that you are an honest and forthright person. In fact I wanted to come here with your interest in mind.

 

I know that you evidently lost money. I have done that too and of course it can make us angry. Even honest people will say things that are not completely true, especially if angry. That to me does not make you a dishonest person. Just a human like all of us.

 

I am here to refute some things but I consider you my colleague so I hope you look at what is said as just setting the facts straight that you have made somewhat crooked by your understandable anger. I want you to benefit from this and we'll be friends once more, I have no doubt.

 

This can be set out in a direct manner. There is your statement that you lost money from using STAR. I do not ever play the blame game as you have said. Ever. If you think my refuting things is blaming you then you must realize I am here to state that yes, let's agree to tell the truth about it and if you did step 1 and 2 etc, then you did those steps, nothing to do with blame.

 

The fact is that you lost money trading STAR and not talking about a stop here and there you lost what seems like an account draining, right? Now I was never asked about help or anything along the way. You just came out with this all at once.

 

Here is the problem, you accuse my system of causing this and state that I blame others which niether is the case. You had stated on this thread something to the effect that if you are stopping out too much it does not matter what the MM is and another comment defending your good MM usage.

 

I don't have a problem with you believing these things but if there is another fact of the matter let's hear it now. The MM you are informed to use is definitely good MM. Start with 3 partials taking the early conservative partial then a 2nd after that on a strong move and the 3rd let it run.

 

This design is sound. The only problem is that you must not have followed it. You began but it just is only possible to end up where you did by not following the 3rd one.

 

You never let your trades run. I remember how active you were but did not know this was what you were doing. It is the simple fact that this is the ONLY explanation that is possible because of the way STAR works and some basic facts about MM and equity.

 

I have taken a month and thoroughly examined an entire month of trades because several months ago there was an expansion to allow more trades in and I felt that the filter added to help restrain that extra trade opportunity so it was not too loose was still not quite there. You recall a filter was added recently, a zigzag, but that had not a good determining ability.

 

So I do happen to have the bottom line result from the month of January - all the trades from the watchlist, both recent and still running. This shows trade results as they were done and it shows the trades with new filters and 2 new indicators to apply them. These filters show a remarkable improvement.

 

We will be implementing this in the member forum as well as premium but just began already in premium. The thing about this is that it shows typical results on the ORIGINAL side that gives the way STAR works. Without the filters just as they were taken there is just no room for what you experienced - EXCEPT - if you do not let them run as is the part of the MM.

 

Now before I show this I will state the obvious. This is not a backtestable system. If I or anyone shows a result that is actual from ANY manual trading system it is the representation of ONLY that person's implementation.

 

I have heard for 5 years ( STAR turns 5 this week ) all the arguments and they only show a misunderstanding of the real - I mean the real real, thing that MUST truly apply to a manual system's

results. The fact is that there is no purely true actual representation which is true to the system because the system is just rules on a page. If it is an EA, yes it can be backtested and a theory shows up but not a manual one. A manual system requires you and me.

 

Not just you and not just me if we are to get the nearest picture of what it is doing. The truth is that only a group of users will be able to get closest to the theoretical potential of a manual system. If you do not see that then you may re-read it but do not bother arguing against it. Besides there is no valid argument against it. Just the facts and I didn't make it this way, its reality.

 

If the trade is not allowed to follow the full MM through to completion is that a true result? Of course it is a true result on an account but not on the account of the system's rules. That's the difference. That is not blame, again it is only the way it has to be viewed to do it honestly.

 

Now if these are not my trades I'm talking about how can I be sure of this? Because of basic facts. I wanted to find out how many trades it takes to kill an account and so I used my equity growth sheet and plugged in a MINUS 3% instead of a plus 3%. Know how many consecutive trades to kill a $1000 account? 200. Know how many to kill a $10,000 account? 200.

 

Here is a pic and also if you want you may go and download the sheet here: http://supertradersclub.com/equity (it is locked so you need to d/l to use).

 

http://www.supertradersclub.com/images/how-many-to-drain-funds.jpg

 

 

So it really takes an effort to do that. Can it be done with STAR using the great MM? No it cannot. We have 4 years of group use. This pic of January results will give you an idea. The idea you will get will be twofold.

 

First you will realize that yeah it must be worthwhile to use STAR with the full MM and letting trades ride. That simply means that if you are in a long runner you don't take every taxi ride going in the other direction. You let it ride. at some point when you are well in profit you may take a signal going the other way. If you take the next signal you did not follow the MM. You did not let it ride.

 

Second you will notice.... wait a minute here. I have to state the obvious again here... These numbers are not intended to mean all these pips come home to you. The only way that this can be stated when you have the discretion to let it ride - is that there was room to let it ride and that means no stop on the original trend extreme. Ok now, Second you will notice that if we have this many pips caught on tape meeting trade criteria, you should be able to snag a few. ;)

 

http://www.supertradersclub.com/images/130228-January%20Trades%20Filters%20Results.jpg

 

 

Now what the filters are doing is giving a trend reversal or rejoin criteria to how the trades will be triggered or filtered out. Also the original filter I mentioned has been modified. It worked and we also have some of the strength of a secondary signal but it is done with a new histogram indicator to make it easier. The largest stop before was 142 pips and new filters made that 42. These do not really show the full impact that will come as trades will be able to run. But it shows that there is no way you can kill an account with STAR, just while not using it the way it should be used.

 

That is a fact. I will be putting the results sheet of these January trades together and you may see the actual trade date triggers but first I have to remove all my filter testing junk.

 

Come back Hank, your membership is still good. We do miss you and you will benefit. 3rd time's a charm, bud.

 

Tom Hennessy

Good work, Daw-veed!

Thanks for sharing!

Re: Looking for Winalot and EAzeGor

btw, let's do that business you talk... lol :mrgreen:

In future versions of MetaTrader, I'm all but sure that we will see "improvements" such that:

1. Its much harder to decompile and crack EAs.

2. Easier or more frequent use of external calls to servers in EAs.

So, my idea of selling access to investor accounts via an Account Copier may be the wave of the (piracy) future.... 8-) 8-)

Re: Looking for Winalot and EAzeGor

champion, just want you to know how much i admire you to keep on speaking with

someone like jezzer. I would possibly feel more like i wanted to ddos attack his site

more than answering him so gently as you do.

 

I personally would not even think about it. I also would like to see his discoteque and/or

computer,or his /her partner or kids ' pcs. I am sure that not all of his stuff in it is copyright payed. And if he comes and

say the contrary, i will not beleive him.

 

 

So Champion, please accept all my admiration, and thank you for beeing so good with this forum.

 

If you need any help to repost dead links, let me know, i will do.

 

 

Regards

 

 

jack from canary isles.

 

btw, let's do that business you talk... lol :mrgreen:

Thank you, jackdan, for your kind words. I appreciate your contribution to this board as well.

And yes, as you say, if you looked at jezzer's PC and his family's PCs, there's a good bet that there would be, at least some, unpaid-for music, movies, books, software, and maybe even EAs.

Both Winalot and EAzeGor were based on the ideas/creativity of someone else. He may have spent time and money to further develop his EAs, but its the idea/creativity that is most valuable and revered. :shand:

Re: Looking for Winalot and EAzeGor

To be honest I don't actually object to small scale piracy and I don't really perceive account copying as a threat. At the end of the day piracy can even serve to raise the profile of the product, especially when there are further improved items in the pipeline.

 

I'm a little disappointed in general about the direction that Rentasignal is headed so, although I've got subscribers, I may well decide to pull that in the near future. I know it's still early days for the Rentasignal site in general, but there are a few things I'm not happy about.

You don't object to small scale piracy through an account copy EA, but picture this: An industrious young fellow gets ahold of one of your EAs, one which you charge $60 a month for. Whether he got a pirated version or bought it from you makes no difference. He starts a website that offers your EA and many others for the low, low price of $20 a month. For that price of $20 a month, one gets the investor password to his various accounts running several EAs, including yours. Now, anyone can sign up with him and have access to the same trades as your EA for a fraction of the price. This would be even more desirable to people if he had other successful, costly subscribe-by-the-month EAs running on his accounts. He changes the password every week and e-mails the new password to members only.

Anyone on here want to start this business? I would... except I don't need the money since I'm running Winalot and EAzeGor and making money hand over fist, and will be a billionaire soon. :lol:

:peace:

Re: Looking for Winalot and EAzeGor

If one prefers not to use this trade copier EA (for one reason or another), he can purchase Copy Tool and accomplish the same feat:

[url]http://iticsoftware.com/metatrader-4-tools.php#copy[/url]

This one uses scripts instead of an EA. And also costs $400+. :x

Either way, Jezzer, an EA seller cannot stop someone FULLY intent on getting around buying an EA. If its not decompiling and cracking, this method can be used (as long as he knows someone running the EA). As mentioned, even if you went to the next step and locked your EA to one account, it would not help. And if you took a further step and used an external call to a server to run your EA, the trade copy tools described can assist someone to get around that too. Or, even if you just sold "signals" (as you have done on rentasignal), trades can still be copied through an investor account.

Re: Looking for Winalot and EAzeGor

 

Yes, you're correct in that this trade copier is an EA itself. You just put this EA ("signal provider") on a chart where you've logged in as an investor. And put the "signal processor" EA on a chart in your own account. There is no signal sent to a server.

 

Jezzer, thanks for reporting me to 4share. :x 4share took down your decompiled EA and I voluntarily removed the other EAs I posted there. No hard feelings, you only did what you had to do. :peace:

 

The point I'm trying to make is that I wasn't aware that you could attach an EA to a chart on an account where you only have investor access. Or if you can attach an EA, I didn't know that it would actually do anything. Maybe it does execute certain functions and it is only the OrderSend() function which is disabled in that case.

 

I would have thought that it does route through a central server even so. Otherwise how would the processor EA know the location of the providing EA, given that they will likely be in seperate folders? Or do you have to enter the file path of one EA as an external parameter into the other EA?

 

I'm also glad that you understand I do need to protect my interests and it's nothing personal. I don't mind free trials and I don't consider myself to be unreasonable, but I would like to regulate supply. I've put a lot of time and effort into the project and I've spent good money on it, so I'm only asking that people respect where I'm coming from.

Please read the additional statements I made afterwards (probably edited while you were writing your post). Yes, one cannot make trade executions on an investor account - since that is the whole purpose of an investor account, so one cannot make trades and alter the account. But, this EA makes no trades; it merely sends signals.

For further information on how one EA uses the file path of the other as an external parameter: http://fx-metropolis.com/ac_ManualInstallation.html

:)

Re: Looking for Winalot and EAzeGor

 

Thanks! And sorry to hear of your pop. :cry:

 

Also, for those EA sellers like Enterra which post their investor password so that you can login and see how their EA is doing on their live account, well, you can just use the trade copier and get the same trades/results as they do. That's why most EA sellers don't provide investor passwords to their live accounts, but for those who do .... :arrow:

 

I'm sure that you know more about these things than I do, Champion, but I was under the impression that the account copiers were actually EAs themselves which sent a signal to a server from where it was relayed to the second account moments later.

 

I was under the impression that you couldn't attach an EA to a chart if you were accessing it as an investor. It's not something that I've ever tried, but perhaps you could confirm

Yes, you're correct in that this trade copier is an EA itself. You just put this EA ("signal provider") on a chart where you've logged in as an investor. And put the "signal processor" EA on a chart in your own account. There is no signal sent to a server.

Regarding the use of EAs on an investor account, its explained here:

This software can help you with next tasks:

You have an investor password from some account in Meta Trader 4 and you want to copy trades from this account to yours. This account could be bigger or smaller than yours, you can adjust lot size or lot multiplier.

http://fx-metropolis.com/ac_Introduction.html

So, yes, this means that when you sell your EA to someone, he can share his investor password to his buddies and they can get the same trades as he does. Which, unfortunately, means less sales for you. :cry: Further, even if you took the next step and locked your EA to one account (buyer's account), the trades can still be easily shared.

Jezzer, thanks for reporting me to 4share. :x 4share took down your decompiled EA and I voluntarily removed the other EAs I posted there. No hard feelings, you only did what you had to do. :peace:

Re: Looking for Winalot and EAzeGor

 

thanks champion!

 

u make my day!

 

:arrow:

Thanks! And sorry to hear of your pop. :cry:

Also, for those EA sellers like Enterra which post their investor password so that you can login and see how their EA is doing on their live account, well, you can just use the trade copier and get the same trades/results as they do. That's why most EA sellers don't provide investor passwords to their live accounts, but for those who do .... :arrow:

Re: Looking for Winalot and EAzeGor

¿¿You know if that winalot will work on ecn stp systems??

 

former one i had did not work there..

If it doesn't just put the EA on a demo account where it does work and copy the trades over to your other account using this free trade copier: http://fx-metropolis.com/ac_HowItWorks.html :arrow:

Re: FXPROMAKER 1.48 $200

Thanks Champion! :shand: do you know what pairs and TF?

Authors seem to like USDJPY and EURGBP, not sure about time frame - it probably doesn't matter since its a martingale/hedging EA based on price action.

I don't like martingale EAs so I would not run this one live. I posted it since I had it and in case anyone is interested. :peace:

Re: [Req] Project Pips

Save your time, this EA is garbage. :berbusa:

Re: EAzeGor(v3.1)

 

Consider a simliar situation in the real (offline) world. What if you had invented a new product that was useful to the general public. While you were late in getting a patent, someone else comes along, takes your product and idea, improves it to some degree, and then begins selling it and making money. But, of course, "out of respect" for you, this person names the product using a derivation of your last name. How would you feel? :cry:

 

Have you ever asked Mr. Gorez how he feels? :peace:

 

Yes, I can see where you're coming from, but the fact is that the actual idea is neither new nor was it invented by Gorez. It is a tried and tested successful method which is often used by traders and has been around for years. He simply used the method in a manner which served to raise its profile and, as I previously stated, he really did get lucky in that he didn't severely dent his account through an early drawdown.

 

Whether you agree or disagree with its name and reference, the fact is that the EA is definitely not the work of Gorez and has little in common with the EA used by him in the ATC. In truth, I kind of regret giving it that name because I now find myself having to justify it unecessarily. I also don't think that it's name promotes or enhances sales in any way because the ATC finished 3 months ago and the public have since moved on.

 

To put this into context, there are plenty of EAs out there which use the Martingale method to control their money management. I presume that, at one stage, there was either a Mr Martingale or perhaps a Martin Gale who invented the method. In the same way, my EA uses the Gorez method. Seeing as there's nothing new about the method, I see little wrong in using the idea. This is totally different to reverse-engineering a program and distributing it without authority.

 

In the manner of most politicians, you've managed to detract from my question by attempting to answer it with another question. We'll be having a General Election in the UK soon; Have you considered standing for parliament? :?:

 

Anyway, life's too short to bicker. As I've said, please use the EAzeGor EA during the time that you have it to make some money and then please return to http://www.easy-ea.com where you may buy the Real McCoy.

Yes, life is too short to bicker. Good luck with your site and EAs.

“The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.”

-Albert Einstein

Re: EAzeGor(v3.1)

Does the definition of "pirating" include reverse-engineering someone else's successful EA (and idea) and selling it as your own? :?

 

http://championship.mql4.com/2008/users/Gorez/

 

Now that I have taken the time to answer your question, perhaps you might like to answer a question for me.

 

How would you feel exactly if you had invested money and spent many man hours working on something to get it to its current stage, only to find that somebody else was giving versions of it away for free on the internet?

Thank you for taking the time to respond.

With regard to your question directed at me, my answer: I would probably feel the same way Mr. Gorez feels about someone "analyzing" the trades of his EA (which he also spent "many man hours" and invested money into), making some changes and tweeking it, then selling it for 40 pounds a month on the internet and, to add insult to injury, using an anagram of his name "out of respect".

Consider a simliar situation in the real (offline) world. What if you had invented a new product that was useful to the general public. While you were late in getting a patent, someone else comes along, takes your product and idea, improves it to some degree, and then begins selling it and making money. But, of course, "out of respect" for you, this person names the product using a derivation of your last name. How would you feel? :cry:

Have you ever asked Mr. Gorez how he feels? :peace:

Re: Looking for Winalot and EAzeGor

EAzeGor

Vladimir, is the dll in this version cracked?

Re: EAzeGor(v3.1)

Does the definition of "pirating" include reverse-engineering someone else's successful EA (and idea) and selling it as your own? :?

http://championship.mql4.com/2008/users/Gorez/

Re: EAzeGor(v3.1)

Vladimir,

 

I just changed the expiration date in the mq4, did not touch the dll. It works and backtested fine. :arrow:

 

This is because the dll time until 9 June.

It would be good, even if nothing has changed.

OK, I'm sure you're right. I can't crack DLL files though. Maybe some else here can?

In any case, this is definitely not an EA I would run myself. Too many losses and huge, huge drawdowns. Not for me, even if it may br profitable in the end.

Re: EAzeGor(v3.1)

Vladimir,

I just changed the expiration date in the mq4, did not touch the dll. It works and backtested fine. :arrow:

Re: Griffin Ultimate Expert Advisor

:?: it's working for me..

Tried it on a different broker and it worked fine. :hammer: Thanks for working the usual magic....

Backtests are not as good as Shark. :x

Re: Griffin Ultimate Expert Advisor

Magic!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

http://www.4shared.com/file/97971229/eeef4325/G20_cracked_by_daw-veed.html

It wasnt working because the stops were too close to the price SL=33 TP=7 (default).

So, to make it work I implemented the hidden tp=7 and put the fake tp to 15. You'll see it in the inputs.

I still get the same send order error messages .... :cry:

Re: MT 4 Order Copier

hi Champion,

 

Does this software send signals over the internet? if it doesnt which one allow to do that?

No, it does not send signals over the internet. But, if you have the investor PW of any MT4 account, you can download the MT4 of that person's broker, use the investor PW, and copy trades onto your account.

Re: MT 4 Order Copier

Maybe this was discussed before, but here is an MT4 account copier for free:

http://fx-metropolis.com/ac_Introduction.html

:peace:

Re: Forex Profit Monster

Try this:

 

http://www.easy-share.com/1903973758/Forex%20Profit%20Monster.rar

 

Thanks champion2008.

But, What is the difference?

There should be no difference since this is Forex Profit Monster.

Re: Griffin Ultimate Expert Advisor

Magic!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

http://www.4shared.com/file/97971229/eeef4325/G20_cracked_by_daw-veed.html

It wasnt working because the stops were too close to the price SL=33 TP=7 (default).

So, to make it work I implemented the hidden tp=7 and put the fake tp to 15. You'll see it in the inputs.

Magic! :arrow:

:peace:

Re: Griffin Ultimate Expert Advisor

 

Maybe you can work some of your magic, daw-veed. 8-) I can only do the very basics when it comes to decompiling and "cracking". :cry:

 

i cant decompile it... :cry:

Here:

http://www.4shared.com/file/97956827/e3d7802d/G20.html

:peace: