lululee Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Hi traders, what's it mean? :-? MZpack and some ARPOCs Pro indicators (arprof.com/product/arpocs-pro-for-ninja-trader/) seem exactly the same, changed only the name. Very strange!! Regards @thedriver....you are right ...look same to me. Then who is the actual owner ???? they both can't be the developer of same stuff ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jff1713006937 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Ohh, so even i will back off educating this :) @jff, I don't think if you could educate mzpack so easily Read the first page of this thread and respect admis's word iksak, Traderbeauty and ⭐ ESVepara 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admis Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Hi traders, what's it mean? :-? MZpack and some ARPOCs Pro indicators (arprof.com/product/arpocs-pro-for-ninja-trader/) seem exactly the same, changed only the name. Very strange!! Regards As for me they are totally different, but certainly worth to know them closer. Thanks for pointing out this developer and his products. I'm always glad seeing such things... Edit: Unfortunately there are no trials available... Edited February 2, 2016 by admis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Zhelnov Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Hi traders, what's it mean? :-? MZpack and some ARPOCs Pro indicators (arprof.com/product/arpocs-pro-for-ninja-trader/) seem exactly the same, changed only the name. Very strange!! Regards Hi thedriver! I know about it. Look at release date to check who was first. They are f@king thieves. One guy from Israel and other from Ukrain. They just copied the look and maybe some basic algos. I dont know what is inside. If u wanna check send them 120 usd :) ⭐ laser1000it, thedriver and ⭐ ESVepara 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Zhelnov Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Hi Guys, I tried to educate MZ Pack but there are challenges, still i have given it a shot. Could anyone please help me by testing if the MZ educated file below works properly or no. https://www.sendspace.com/file/17lk9h The version for MZ Pack is 1.4.0.0 Place/Replace this dll file in Documents/Ninja Trader Folder/bin/custom Cheer!! Only what you can do by doing this are: 1. To cancel any free trials from MZpack 2. To cancel developing of 1.x in MZpack 3. To lift price upto 300+ usd for 2.x with downloads only for clients. Traders, i think you should say "thanx" to jff! We got many other ideas about how to punish pill lovers, but we dont want panish who pay. So now it's your choise, jff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exp48967 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Don't know if was stolen but to me doesn't look the same :-? Mikhail I think will be a good idea offer for example an extra trial via licenses server....10 days???? Then, as always, who want everything for free will find it for free. Edit: then Mikhail I like to see more real how to use. Edited February 2, 2016 by exp48967 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedriver Posted February 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Don't know if was stolen but to me doesn't look the same :-? ...... If you compare the input data of MZBigtrade and ARprofbigtrade (take from their English user manual) are perfect the same, even allert is the same (new_bigtrade.wav!!)), and all other MZpack indi have the same input. PS: I dont have any installer for ARpro, sorry below the a sample pic ARprofbigtrade input http://my.jetscreenshot.com/20438/20160202-oc6x-147kb.png MZpack input http://my.jetscreenshot.com/20438/20160202-ummb-77kb.png regards Edited February 2, 2016 by thedriver ⭐ ESVepara, newbie0101 and exp48967 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admis Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 If you compare the input data of MZBigtrade and ARprofbigtrade (take from their English user manual) are perfect the same, even allert is the same (new_bigtrade.wav!!)), and all other MZpack indi have the same input. below the a sample pic ARprofbigtrade input ... MZpack input ... regards Seems, you're right and I was wrong. I reviewed only their web pages without comparing both manuals. On the other side, only codes could tell the truth... I'd be grateful, if our Russian speaking members, could help to clarify this. newbie0101 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admis Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Only what you can do by doing this are: 1. To cancel any free trials from MZpack 2. To cancel developing of 1.x in MZpack 3. To lift price upto 300+ usd for 2.x with downloads only for clients. Traders, i think you should say "thanx" to jff! We got many other ideas about how to punish pill lovers, but we dont want panish who pay. So now it's your choise, jff. So, if you think, it could be a better option for you - then do it. I'd advise you rather to think twice before that... Please also keep in mind, we always have a choice regardless of your decisions. btw. To be honest, I don't get it: "We got many other ideas about how to punish pill lovers, but we dont want panish who pay." :-? Edited February 2, 2016 by admis thedriver and newbie0101 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lululee Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 So, if you think, it could be a better option for you - then do it. I'd advise you rather to think twice before that... Please also keep in mind, we always have a choice regardless of your decisions. btw. To be honest, I don't get it: "We got many other ideas about how to punish pill lovers, but we dont want panish who pay." :-? @Admis....I think he meant... he will punish if someone using the educated version. and will not if you are using the paid version. I don't understand how. seem like a threat to me and I am the one preaching everyone to buy this. admis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Zhelnov Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Seems, you're right and I was wrong. I reviewed only their web pages without comparing both manuals. On the other side, only codes could tell the truth... I'd be grateful, if our Russian speaking members, could help to clarify this. read this post http://indo-investasi.com/showthread.php/26739-Request-MZpack-medicine?p=400229&viewfull=1#post400229 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Zhelnov Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 MZpack 7 days more trial AEAD2-3CTBY-FZURF-E88VL-EZSRQ lululee, Watson Leung, ⭐ alazif and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbie0101 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Hi traders, what's it mean? :-? MZpack and some ARPOCs Pro indicators (arprof.com/product/arpocs-pro-for-ninja-trader/) seem exactly the same, changed only the name. Very strange!! Regards Hi thedriver--Hope all is well--but not that weird---Think about it--U have viper,High Percent--and believe one other that all stem from same three guys with different websites?====$$$$ for suckers like us to buy and figure out they are charlatans--- %5Bimg%5Dhttp%3A//i64.tinypic.com/30c3d7d.jpg[/img] admis, ⭐ ESVepara, thedriver and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Zhelnov Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 newbie0101 Its better say charlatans to those two guys from arprof Israel guy Igor http://content.screencast.com/users/rename370/folders/Default/media/730666d5-edb0-4d48-8dbe-3c090d51a063/02.03.2016-10.36.png Ukrainian guy Aleksey http://content.screencast.com/users/rename370/folders/Default/media/b220ab32-bd4f-4299-8b61-5de15fa6d195/02.03.2016-10.37.png And dont abuse who you even dont know. I dont hiding. You can see my facebook and even call me. I worked 6+ months on MZpack. So you better think before say something. Peace. Now, after 300+ messages in my trading room yesterday and given ****s to Igor from all russian community they off stolen ideas and code from their site. I think we can close this theme. exp48967, misalto and kavalan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hliboi Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Its a lure type of trade! Waiting for a smackdown. The Gl as been around for some time already. I also follow ninjafutures and testopal. All of this and more can be found in the atas suite. Be good, make your offer as you sense the market but be cool about it. admis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Zhelnov Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Its a lure type of trade! Waiting for a smackdown. The Gl as been around for some time already. I also follow ninjafutures and testopal. All of this and more can be found in the atas suite. Be good, make your offer as you sense the market but be cool about it. Why some people just love to teach others and make their decisions without knowing facts? I dont know... Thanx for your advise and be calm when someone will hijack your car ;) Edited February 3, 2016 by Mikhail Zhelnov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hliboi Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Mikhail. Relax you are a vendor that tries to push your product thats fair. But you seem to dont realize that you came to this forum and also testopal where you are a moderator and push your product and also were very sensitive towards comments that igor made about your product. I dont use your product will i ever for that matter because i dont need it. But you came here beeing very cool as a vendor, explaining setups and all also plugging another product meanwhile. But when confronted with a copy of your product you immediately post photos and information about them. Thats not cool i think. Jff is doing whats is supposed he is educating just like others are. One could assume that -oh is product is so cheap and comes here and bla bla bla. But you are pusshing product. It could be a vendors forum but its not. Auction is cheap, bst ebook is cheap volume node is cheap. So price is not an issue nor should it be. You have ofa that is shared and educated freely here but i dont see you opposed to that. Jff, imo, did what he did and that's what this forum is about. You want to make your offer higher go ahead. Also as just a mind twist you have to admit that the menus from arpoc that can be real time filter with a slider are very intuitive for most users. I admire your work and that should be evaluated by other members and your clients. I follow the russian forums because there is a predominant talk about volume and tape reading. So im not teaching anything. But maybe the context made you learn. Be cool and happy trading. Headfake Edit: also not cool about giving a key that can identify everybody that uses it from here while stating that is a extension period. Edited February 3, 2016 by hliboi ⭐ laser1000it, Traderbeauty, admis and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Zhelnov Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) hliboi Maybe you don't like my posts, but I realy don't like this: http://indo-investasi.com/showthread.php/26739-Request-MZpack-medicine?p=400318&viewfull=1#post400318 I realy did not want post anything about arprof guys, but i cant after that. I'm explaining this personaly to you if you didn't get it. I dont know what you mean about igor's comments on testopal. He was very affable in our conversations on forum and online. Even offered to cooperate with him. But i rejected that. He expleained to me that there is no problem that he reverse engineered my code and started to sell the clone cause someone (like jff) will hack it whatever. It was kind of shocking for me. On testopal forum i made pretty big community to work together on our needs in trading tools. I'd like to talk about improvemets of the tool someone may needed instead of ansewering such kind of posts i linked above. Maybe this is not right place for that. Ok. Just will answer questions only about the tool. Write anything else - i dont care. PS 7 days key is for all MZpack newsletter sibscribers too http://us12.campaign-archive2.com/?u=3b8f69818f1d0ccb188fc4e10&id=4419026cff The key also placed on MZpack FB page. So it's realy cool :D Go and chekt it if your thoughts goes so far. Edited February 4, 2016 by Mikhail Zhelnov iksak, Watson Leung and tradermic 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admis Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) hliboi Maybe you don't like my posts, but I realy don't like this: http://indo-investasi.com/showthread.php/26739-Request-MZpack-medicine?p=400318&viewfull=1#post400318 .... You're an interesting person... You've read jff's post and it makes you angry. Did you check, at least that file? In contrast, I haven't noticed your joy after my post # 6 and few others - before and after that. Edited February 4, 2016 by admis hliboi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traderbeauty Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 i am watching and the moment he will step out of our forum boundaries i will take action :). as hiliboi said- this is OUR FORUM and not vendors'... Traderbeauty-Jane SuperModerator ⭐ laser1000it, jff1713006937, JoeWilson and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jff1713006937 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Finallly Jane is here :) ⭐ laser1000it and wcicom 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traderbeauty Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 lol- i was here from the start but he behaved and actually seemed to be helping our members so i saw no harm in letting him stay even though he is a vendor. Mikhail- you are more than welcome here as long as you help the community - We have no interest with your fights against other vendors same as we dont get part of your proceeds- meaning- we are not involved in your business only in the logic behind the indicators. So please - keep your fights for yourself and lets stay focused on trading only. Traderbeauty-Jane Super Moderator wizard101, jff1713006937, thedriver and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hliboi Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Mikhail, please dont take ofense just a reality check. I think you have a good product. Why not be part of the ninjaecosystem? Don't know if you are already. Do some webminar with them. That's an ideia. Ask the members what kind of improvements they see suitable for the system. I don't know... I wish you a good endeavour. Mikhail Zhelnov, ⭐ laser1000it, traderin and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Zhelnov Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I'm a little bit not comfortable here. Someone says welcome, someone wants to crack the tool... Many things in MZpack was made by requests from russian community. Unfortunately i didn't see any requests here from this topic start date. Someone asks me how to trade FDAX or TF or NQ. I think it's better to ask how to trade orderflow. Or to show his or her trading strategy and then to ask how to incorporate MZpack into it. In my case it was Market Profile and volatility as trading system and big picture. I learnt it 2 months on trading course. And then 6 month of doing everyday practice. I dont think I can tell how to trade e.g. FDAX using MP + MZpack in couple of messages. It's unreal if you understand. So be prepared for hard work. Here is some video of NASDAQ http://www.mzpack.pro/en/2016/02/03/e-mini-nasdaq-nq-futures-day-trading-video/ Good luck! ⭐ ESVepara, lululee, hliboi and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lululee Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I'm a little bit not comfortable here. Someone says welcome, someone wants to crack the tool... Many things in MZpack was made by requests from russian community. Unfortunately i didn't see any requests here from this topic start date. Someone asks me how to trade FDAX or TF or NQ. I think it's better to ask how to trade orderflow. Or to show his or her trading strategy and then to ask how to incorporate MZpack into it. In my case it was Market Profile and volatility as trading system and big picture. I learnt it 2 months on trading course. And then 6 month of doing everyday practice. I dont think I can tell how to trade e.g. FDAX using MP + MZpack in couple of messages. It's unreal if you understand. So be prepared for hard work. Here is some video of NASDAQ http://www.mzpack.pro/en/2016/02/03/e-mini-nasdaq-nq-futures-day-trading-video/ Good luck! Hi Milhail, You are right. We should ask the right question. As TB (Jane) said. Even thou this is not vendor forum, but we welcomed you and respect that you are working hard and improving your tools pretty quick. do you have document or video on how to trade using your tools. I am waiting for your ninja8 package to come out, I will buy it then. Please keep us posted and in the meantime make some video in english so users can understand. You have very good tools so keep up the good work. sateshchand, Mikhail Zhelnov, traderin and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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