ntynamoo Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 This is indicator.. No repainted.. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FAU6PO0A I belive that some mql programmer make it to EA. Let's make it~~and test.. Using only 5TF.. eur/usd Entry..EX) Buy position mtf lj synergy id is blue signal and lj synergy id is blue..when candle start. EX) Sell position position mtf lj synergy id is red signal and lj synergy id is red..when candle start. Exit is when signal change "X" scwon, forexfx, domonkos and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retireme Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Maybe just me but I see many conflicting indications here... would appreciate feedback if I am reading it incorrectly. http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4906/lookatthins.png Rgds RM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundfx Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) Hi retireme, Please can you mirror to multiupload as the megaupload link says file temporarily unavailable. As for your example, I guess that this contradiction means stay out for the time being and only go long if all lights are blue at the top right and the bar at the bottom is blue too. It's ok - managed to get the file eventually :) Here's the mirror: http://www.multiupload.com/MP1EORJHSR Edited March 28, 2011 by soundfx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntynamoo Posted March 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I mean two indicators at the bottom. (mtf lj synergy id) and (lj synergy id) Ignore other indi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizops Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 What indicator(s) is this thing based on. And is this the same thread: http://indo-investasi.com/showthread.php/12355-No-repainted-indicator..We-can-develop-it-to-EA.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundfx Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) Ok - I think I know how the rules work: http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/1278/5mscalp.jpg #MTF_LJ_SYNERGY_ID.mq4 needs timeframe set to 60 because it's plotting the 1H trend. Two other indicators need to be installed: LJ_SYNERGY_ID.mq4 and LJ_SIG.mq4 (which is read by LJ_SYNERGY_ID.mq4) Edited March 28, 2011 by soundfx bizops 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntynamoo Posted March 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) Yes, You are right..Soundfx. I need to someone make it to EA. When I am using ECN broker. it lose small but profit is bigger than lose. I researched for three days all pairs. Edited March 28, 2011 by ntynamoo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest indoshare Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Sweetheart Soundfx, Would you please tell me which are the main indicators in the template and do any of the indis repaint .. are you using it? if so howz it going? thanks in advance, Indoshare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scwon Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I have loaded the following indicators: LJ_Syneryg_ID, LJ_Sig, and MTF_LJ_Synergy (60 min) and am getting nothing but Xs on both lines for the whole chart. What did I miss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwjw Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 I have loaded the following indicators: LJ_Syneryg_ID, LJ_Sig, and MTF_LJ_Synergy (60 min) and am getting nothing but Xs on both lines for the whole chart. What did I miss? You need "Traders_Dynamic_Index" + "HeikenAshi_DM" for the LJ_Sig to work taipan and scwon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scwon Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Thanks, it's working now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FXiGoR Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Be awere that whatever backtest you do with an EA that is using MTF indicators can not be trusted at all. Your backtests will look more then amazing because of the repaiting nature that EVERY MTF indicator has on the smaller time frame that you test on. Your backtest will look great but your forward testing will be poor. In other words stay away from EA's that use MTF indicators. This problem has been discussed already many time for many years on different forums. So don't waist your time. Friendly regards... FXiGoR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizops Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 Be awere that whatever backtest you do with an EA that is using MTF indicators can not be trusted at all. Your backtests will look more then amazing because of the repaiting nature that EVERY MTF indicator has on the smaller time frame that you test on. Your backtest will look great but your forward testing will be poor. In other words stay away from EA's that use MTF indicators. This problem has been discussed already many time for many years on different forums. So don't waist your time. Friendly regards... FXiGoR I agree that the backtests for MTF EA's cannot be trusted because MT4 only can load backdata from one timeframe at a time, so the results will be inconclusive. However that does not necessarily mean that the MTF EA is no good if it works well during live market conditions. Because at that time the EA will be reading the live market data from all timeframes correctly. And of course it needs to be a good strategy too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwjw Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 (edited) The backtester can only load data from one PAIR at a time but all timeframes And I'm not sure whether I can agree with FXiGoR about the repaint issue on the higher TF Repainting is only possible during candle open time. If the candle of the timeframe you are testing is closed so is the snapshot of the higher timeframe...if the higher timeframe (H1) reverses its signal between minute 55-59 doesn't mean that the signal of the whole hour is invalid You only have to make sure that you don't use values of open candles edit: FXiGoR is right...it's really a problem with historical data....never thought about it this way Edited March 28, 2011 by iwjw hmm...thinking again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bizops Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 The backtester can only load data from one PAIR at a time but all timeframes And I'm not sure whether I can agree with FXiGoR about the repaint issue on the higher TF Repainting is only possible during candle open time. If the candle of the timeframe you are testing is closed so is the snapshot of the higher timeframe...if the higher timeframe (H1) reverses its signal between minute 55-59 doesn't mean that the signal of the whole hour is invalid You only have to make sure that you don't use values of open candles Oh I thought MT4 backdata only loaded one timeframe at a time, because a while back I tried using a MTF indicator on the simulator and the indicator only displayed changes to the timeframe I had chosen to load data from. And all the other timeframes on the indicator remained frozen. Maybe it was defective, I'll try it again with a different MTF indicator and see what happens. Thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FXiGoR Posted March 28, 2011 Report Share Posted March 28, 2011 The backtester can only load data from one PAIR at a time but all timeframes And I'm not sure whether I can agree with FXiGoR about the repaint issue on the higher TF................ Hi iwjw, You do not need to agree with me.....because that is also why I said that this problem has been discussed already many times and for many years. Trust me an EA with MTF indicators can not backtested in a trustworthy way. The reason for it is that a backtest knows in advance what the open high low close is of a bar. This means if you run your backtest on a 15min TF by looking to some elements on a higher time frame, for example on a MTF 1H TF, then the backtester knows in advance that this 1H bar was up or down. Where in real trading this 1H bar can change 10 x times in long or short before it is closed. For me if I want to put my money on a system then I need to see backtests that show me robust and trustworthy profits given to me by reliable backtests. Because even when a backtest shows nice profits then we all know that the profits in real trading will be far less then the backtests. So why would one bother with an EA that does not give any reliable backtests. For all the same one can then go to the casino and play on black or red on the roulette table. Friendly regards.... iGoR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidecona Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 peoples, really, this isn't a thread about backtesting! No wonder the original poster started another thread! Many thanks for the pertinent information, but can we now get back to the strategy, and what would / wouldn't work? (with the understanding that backtests are not to be trusted...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwjw Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 peoples, really, this isn't a thread about backtesting! No wonder the original poster started another thread! Many thanks for the pertinent information, but can we now get back to the strategy, and what would / wouldn't work? (with the understanding that backtests are not to be trusted...) The purpose of this thread is/was to find some1 who codes an EA for the indies So what would be the first thing you do after finishing coding? As for me I'm not going to code an EA that I can't backtest because of the MTF issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest indoshare Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 does it re paint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundfx Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 indoshare, It does appear to repaint though not in a conventional way and I'm not sure why it does this. Looking at the MTF indicator using Alpari UK times here are the differences I've seen between running continuously and loading the indicators just now: Continuous Running Long at 06:05 Cross at 12:00 Short at 13:00 Cross at 18:00 Recently Loaded Long at 06:00 Cross at 11:00 Short at 13:00 Cross at 16:00 Repainting I thought would affect the entry signal more than the duration the signal lasts, so it's a bit of a mystery to me at the mo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwjw Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 The indicator recalculates 1000 (=count) Bars on every tick I had it running for a while then opened the properties, restarted and some of the arrows changed their prior positions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidecona Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 I'm about half way through, but the arrows aren't showing me what the values from the indicator are... I'm gonna need to look into the indis to figure out how they function... check back in 24 hours... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundfx Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Guys, The thing that bugs me about these indicators is that because they show different results in continuous running compared to starting afresh, that even any manual backtesting is completely worthless. The continuous (real-time) plotting of the indicator I ***ume is correct, so how do we get the indicators to show the same when looking back in history? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidecona Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 soundfx.. Is it really a problem if the original indicator signals shown make profits? i.e. what an EA "would" be working off or are the original signals just that bad? and the refreshed ones better i.e. do the originals or the refreshed signals make more profit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FXiGoR Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 The continuous (real-time) plotting of the indicator I ***ume is correct, so how do we get the indicators to show the same when looking back in history? Hi Soundfx, You just can't and that is what I try to explain in my previous postings. I don't want to sound rude or arrogant but I am not some sort of an fx follower since 2009 and who only made 15 postings here in this forum. Google on my name: FXiGoR. I trade and devellop system for nearly 16 years now. Again using systems or EA's that use whatever MTF indicator is a pure waist of time. Because manual or mechanical backtesting does not show what happend in real time. Friendly regards... FXiGoR blauhund2003 and soundfx 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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