neurohunter Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Hi Kesk, Sorry to reply your private message through this thread, since I could not reply your PM due to my posting is less than 15 posts. I think there are few statements made by ward which may leading to the failure: "===== - To use NeuroShell you do not need to be a programmer, a Ph.D., an AI expert, a mathematician, or a statistician. ...Neural net experts might be happier with our generic AI products. - Artificial intelligence study not required. Many people think they must have to read books about neural networks, genetic algorithms, and fuzzy logic or take a course before they can effectively utilize our software. That is just not true. We have already done all that studying for you starting in 1988, and created software that allows you to concentrate on the business end, not the science end. Our genetic algorithms, for example, act almost like other traditional optimizers. Many people think they must have to read books about neural networks, genetic algorithms, and fuzzy logic or take a course before they can effectively utilize our software. =====" The actual is: - It will be better if you have PHD degree either in mathematics, neural network engineering etc, if you have then you will be more easier to use neuroshell. I have a background on physic engineering (instrumentation), have learned about neural network applied for control system..so I get more benefit to apply them in financial application. - Reading book about artificial intelligence is not required BUT very useful if you have them, especially for the books who can guide you how to make a good prediction. Training videos are available for Neuroshell users and if you purchase the original from ward (totally 120 MB). For the next one, I plan to continue this thread by evaluation a book, try to implement them in NSDT or MT4.. if you agree and more people to participate..Probably I will make a book ha..ha... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neurohunter Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 You will be more benefit also if you are a programmer, you can develop your own indicator based on neural network and implement it on your trading platform..But Neuroshell trader is kind of a black box for neural network user..for a prediction/trading strategy you will know: - what are the inputs applicable for your prediction/trading strategy - what are the parameters optimum (on version 6 they are using genetic optimization: genehunter, evolution, swarm or brute force) And you do not know the detail about your net such as: how many slabs/hidden neuron used, what are the weight or bias used, transfer function used (logistic, tanh, sigmoid, gaussian, etc), what are neural net architecture are used (back propagation, Jordan elman, neuro-fuzzy, PNN,GRNN, GMDH, etc) So most of the neuroshell user should not expect when using it will get a profitable trade..it is only a dreaming ..I need at least 6 years to come to this stage and need more learnign and development as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
⭐ val2004 Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Thanks neurohunter for update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neurohunter Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 So using NSDT you can not expect more to have detail information about your nets.. except putting in your data into the chart, searching a good indicators as input for your trading strategy/prediction net, optimize your net, test it and evaluate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neurohunter Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 (edited) Here the list for video training in NSDT 6 http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1885/nsdtpu62screen.png http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/938/nsdtpu62.png http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/1048/videolist1.png http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/3801/videolist2.png http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/7316/videolist3.png http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4643/videolist4.png Edited April 15, 2011 by neurohunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neurohunter Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 (edited) I love my indicators applied on my trading.... http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1145/mynnindicators.png Edited April 15, 2011 by neurohunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
⭐ kesk Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Would it be possible that you post the Neuroshell videos alone, if they are good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neurohunter Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Hi Kesk, I have very little bandwidth and internet speed ..very high cost and long time to upload them. Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eredirech Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Hi Kesk, I have very little bandwidth and internet speed ..very high cost and long time to upload them. Sorry Is the program can not earn money for high-speed Internet? ))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neurohunter Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Hi eredirech, The answer still NO...either with reason or not..No one can push me to do something that I do no want to do it.. The recent chart is self explanatory..and if you are living in Indonesia..you will know about internet reason also.. Cheers.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neurohunter Posted April 16, 2011 Report Share Posted April 16, 2011 Am I ?? Desperate trader..... Trading with 99% lost Profitable trade only by luck.. Hunting indicators but not using consistently..when fail then dumb it.. Using trade signal based on friend information ..even though the friend mostly lost and rarely get profit Subscribe trade signal ..but always be cheated.. Believe that using EA will make profit..but actually no Buying EA or software ..but never get profit and only get cheated and loss money.. When EA disappointing .. dumb it or share it to the forum due to angry to the creator..and someone else can get loss too Want to get profit efficiently ...then download free or cracked version only solution.. Asking someone to give the licensed copy....but nobody give and not sure that he has or not... Always hunting profitable EA/software or cracked version ...with no guarantee Money management just only motto..never implement it during trade I always using emotion during the trade ...kept lost open wider and close the profitable trade soon (even a little).. Holly grail trading strategy still on dream ..but never come true... The only best friend still remain the same..... no money - no profit - no license ....and losses still resist Wake up man...nobody will give you money free ...without hard work even with the best trading software in the world you will still get lost .. and because you never change your habit... ============================================================= Trader putus asa ... Trading dengan 99% rugi Bisa untung waktu trading hanya karena kebetulan.. Selalu mencari indicator tapi tidak pernah menggunaknnya dengan konsisten..ketika gagal lalu membuangnya.. MEnggunakan signal trading dari informasi teman ...padahal teman itu banyak loss dan profit kadang2 saja.. Berlangganan trading signal ..tetapi selalu tertipu.. Percaya bahwa menggunakan EA bisa profit..tetapi kenyataanya tidak.. Beli EA atau software ..tapi tidak pernah profit , hanya tertipu lagi dan rugi terus.. Ketika EA mengecewakan .. membuangnya ke recycle bin atau menyebarkan di forum karena kecewa..sehingga orang lain bisa lost juga Ingin memperoleh profit efisien ...mengunduh versi gratis atau cracked adalh solusi .. Meminta seseorang memberikan software asli ....tapi tidak ada satupun yang memebri dan tidak yakin kallau orang itu punya juga atau tidak... Selalu memburu EA/software biarpun versi cracked yang diyakini bisa profit ...kenyaataannya tidak ada jaminan bisa profit Managemen keuangan hanya menjadi motto..tidak pernah dipakai saat trading Saya selalu gunakan emosi saat trading...membiarkan lost terbuka semakin gede dan menutup profit terbuka sesegera mungkin(biarpun sedikit).. Strategy trading Cawan suci selalu dalam impian ..tapi tak pernah menjadi kenyataan... Sahabat yang setia menemani selalu sama..... nggak punya duit- nggak ada profit - selalu tertipu - nggak punya lisensi....dan rugi dalam trading selalu ada... Saatnya bangun dan sadar teman..tidak ada seorangpun yang akan memberimu uang gratis...tanpa kerja keras walaupun menggunakan software trading terbaik di dunia anda selalu rugi ...dan arena anda tidak pernah merubah sikap dan kebiasaan.... ==================== Я? Отчаянные трейдер ..... Торговля с 99% потеряли Прибыльная сделка только по счастливой случайности .. Охота показателей, но не используется последовательно .., когда не выполняются, то немой это .. Использование торгового сигнала на основе информации о друге .. хотя друг основном потеряли и редко получают прибыль Подписаться торговый сигнал .. но всегда быть обманутыми .. Считаем, что использование EA будет приносить прибыль .. но на самом деле не Покупка EA или программное обеспечение .. но никогда не получить прибыль и получать только то обманутыми и потеря денег .. Когда Е. А. разочарование .. немой или поделиться на форуме в связи с сердитым создателю .. а кто-то может получить убыток слишком Хотите, чтобы получить прибыль эффективно ... тогда скачать бесплатно или трещины версии только решение .. Просить кого-то, чтобы дать лицензионную копию .... но никто не дает и не уверен, что он или нет ... Всегда охота выгодно EA / программного обеспечения или трещины версия ... без гарантии Управление капиталом всего лишь девиз .. никогда ее реализации в торговле Я всегда использовать эмоции во время торговли ... хранятся потерянные открытых более широкого и тесного выгодной торговле в ближайшее время (даже маленькие) .. Холли Грааль торговой стратегии по-прежнему на сон .. но никогда не сбываются ... Только лучший друг все еще остаются теми же ..... нет денег - нет прибыли - нет лицензии .... и потери все еще сопротивляются Проснись человек ... вам никто не даст денег бесплатно ... без тяжелой работы, даже с лучшими торговыми программного обеспечения в мире вы по-прежнему теряются .. и потому что вы никогда не изменить привычки ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakgib Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Am I ?? Desperate trader..... Trading with 99% lost Profitable trade only by luck.. Hunting indicators but not using consistently..when fail then dumb it.. Using trade signal based on friend information ..even though the friend mostly lost and rarely get profit Subscribe trade signal ..but always be cheated.. Believe that using EA will make profit..but actually no Buying EA or software ..but never get profit and only get cheated and loss money.. When EA disappointing .. dumb it or share it to the forum due to angry to the creator..and someone else can get loss too Want to get profit efficiently ...then download free or cracked version only solution.. Asking someone to give the licensed copy....but nobody give and not sure that he has or not... Always hunting profitable EA/software or cracked version ...with no guarantee Money management just only motto..never implement it during trade I always using emotion during the trade ...kept lost open wider and close the profitable trade soon (even a little).. Holly grail trading strategy still on dream ..but never come true... The only best friend still remain the same..... no money - no profit - no license ....and losses still resist Wake up man...nobody will give you money free ...without hard work even with the best trading software in the world you will still get lost .. and because you never change your habit... ============================================================= Trader putus asa ... Trading dengan 99% rugi Bisa untung waktu trading hanya karena kebetulan.. Selalu mencari indicator tapi tidak pernah menggunaknnya dengan konsisten..ketika gagal lalu membuangnya.. MEnggunakan signal trading dari informasi teman ...padahal teman itu banyak loss dan profit kadang2 saja.. Berlangganan trading signal ..tetapi selalu tertipu.. Percaya bahwa menggunakan EA bisa profit..tetapi kenyataanya tidak.. Beli EA atau software ..tapi tidak pernah profit , hanya tertipu lagi dan rugi terus.. Ketika EA mengecewakan .. membuangnya ke recycle bin atau menyebarkan di forum karena kecewa..sehingga orang lain bisa lost juga Ingin memperoleh profit efisien ...mengunduh versi gratis atau cracked adalh solusi .. Meminta seseorang memberikan software asli ....tapi tidak ada satupun yang memebri dan tidak yakin kallau orang itu punya juga atau tidak... Selalu memburu EA/software biarpun versi cracked yang diyakini bisa profit ...kenyaataannya tidak ada jaminan bisa profit Managemen keuangan hanya menjadi motto..tidak pernah dipakai saat trading Saya selalu gunakan emosi saat trading...membiarkan lost terbuka semakin gede dan menutup profit terbuka sesegera mungkin(biarpun sedikit).. Strategy trading Cawan suci selalu dalam impian ..tapi tak pernah menjadi kenyataan... Sahabat yang setia menemani selalu sama..... nggak punya duit- nggak ada profit - selalu tertipu - nggak punya lisensi....dan rugi dalam trading selalu ada... Saatnya bangun dan sadar teman..tidak ada seorangpun yang akan memberimu uang gratis...tanpa kerja keras walaupun menggunakan software trading terbaik di dunia anda selalu rugi ...dan arena anda tidak pernah merubah sikap dan kebiasaan.... ==================== Я? Отчаянные трейдер ..... Торговля с 99% потеряли Прибыльная сделка только по счастливой случайности .. Охота показателей, но не используется последовательно .., когда не выполняются, то немой это .. Использование торгового сигнала на основе информации о друге .. хотя друг основном потеряли и редко получают прибыль Подписаться торговый сигнал .. но всегда быть обманутыми .. Считаем, что использование EA будет приносить прибыль .. но на самом деле не Покупка EA или программное обеспечение .. но никогда не получить прибыль и получать только то обманутыми и потеря денег .. Когда Е. А. разочарование .. немой или поделиться на форуме в связи с сердитым создателю .. а кто-то может получить убыток слишком Хотите, чтобы получить прибыль эффективно ... тогда скачать бесплатно или трещины версии только решение .. Просить кого-то, чтобы дать лицензионную копию .... но никто не дает и не уверен, что он или нет ... Всегда охота выгодно EA / программного обеспечения или трещины версия ... без гарантии Управление капиталом всего лишь девиз .. никогда ее реализации в торговле Я всегда использовать эмоции во время торговли ... хранятся потерянные открытых более широкого и тесного выгодной торговле в ближайшее время (даже маленькие) .. Холли Грааль торговой стратегии по-прежнему на сон .. но никогда не сбываются ... Только лучший друг все еще остаются теми же ..... нет денег - нет прибыли - нет лицензии .... и потери все еще сопротивляются Проснись человек ... вам никто не даст денег бесплатно ... без тяжелой работы, даже с лучшими торговыми программного обеспечения в мире вы по-прежнему теряются .. и потому что вы никогда не изменить привычки ... wel u have to change your self try to turn it around 1) first have a good mindset and try not to trade with emotions mostly someone get emotional if u trade with to much money (money u cant loose) 2) have a good riskmanagment 3) learn to be patience dont try to get rich in a few days/weeks that wont work if u learn to be patience lats say u just trade very small and are able to make say 5 % to 10% a month and u are really getting comfortable with that then invest more money if u are able to. then that5% to 10% is already giving u a nice ammount of money 4) your trading system there are a lot of good systems but they only work if number 1 2 3 are working there is no Holy Grail System but a good system together with point 1 2 3 could be a Holy grail my advise try to learn a way of trading u like the most me i like Fibonacci based systems so i did learn things about that also what works is Candle patterns or Eliot Wave then use some breakout / Reversal system together with Fibonacci / Candle patterns / Elliot Wave Trade very small learn to control your emotions ( u have to remove the Emotion Get rich quick and Greed/Anger) u wil do that by trading very small getting experions with your system and over time u wil get more confidante then u can put in more money lets say u start with 1000 dollar making betwean 5 and 10 % a month that is betwean 50 and 100 dollar not much but already much if u compare it against the 1000 dollar u wont get that at any bank then if u are getting more confidante put in more money if u getting arround 10000 dollar u already making betwean 500 a 1000 a month not enouch to quit your job but already a nice ammount to get some savings wel u get the idee 100% of all traders know this only 5 % do it Greets Freak wakjoe, Phepi, Marchello and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neurohunter Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Very good advice Freakgib...Thanks a lot Hope everyone can give suggestion also... and lets do the advice step by step as mush as we can... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikono Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Nice to see you here neurohunter. Good luck with your gold trading =D> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neurohunter Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Thanks Miko ..hope you are successful also.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestus Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 hi... does somone know how and where I CAN find a link to download Neuroshell Power User 6 for free? .. thankssss acaciam39 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchun Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 Up Up.. Couldn't find it in any download forum yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrianm Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 Up Up.. Couldn't find it in any download forum yet. Bump. Couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homestus Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 the problem is not to find the link ... with a megaupload search ... u should be able to find it ... However it will be worthless since the medicine for this software is still missing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrianm Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 the problem is not to find the link ... with a megaupload search ... u should be able to find it ... However it will be worthless since the medicine for this software is still missing Well Damnit! What do we pay you guys the big bucks for? Head down coders, and get me a pill for NSDT 6! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigape Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Has someone ChaosHunter to share? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saktis Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 try it, but without crack http://www.multiupload.com/H3Y8PPJ1QN password er56w3466u7jyQWET cheshire, munchun and taipan 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire Posted September 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 yikes...need some medicine for the version 6.1...somebody help us please hehe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xuk Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Guys.. As far as I know it is really really hard to crack this new release of Neuroshell, since it requires an online login to Ward server. As you would remember the former versions were also hard to crack, it can be used only through debugger. I think if it could be possible to be cracked we would definitely have seen it at ewef.net. But it seems they don't have it too. I don't know maybe this guy at ewef.net has not tried it yet. Actually I hope it so :)).. Peace!! munchun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheshire Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 knock2...no news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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