muhhatta

Some threads were highly provoked to be closed (especially about MMM).

Maybe some party are not agree if these knowledge are taught to public freely

Here it is but it is an exe file can someone educate please http://www.4shared.com/zip/K4xfXr3h/Forex_LST_System.html

The Exe file is an installer file. I didn't instal it to my MT4 instead of a new folder, that installer installed 4 files into it. As mentioned in the pdf file, when I copy the files in to my MT4 then run MT4, it asked for a license.

Hi muhhatta, please share the files that you found on filesberg. I searched but everthing with lst except this system. We have lots of brilliant members whom can crack the software.

I said I was searching "forex lst" using bergfiles.com and return a single file contain the exe and 2 pdf files.

A very good and logic system,

I've been using divergence, SupDem, Candlestick and S/R into my Price Action analysis heavily and LST make them mechanical built in to one system.

RSI Pro only based on Divergence but LST incorporating Canlde pattern, extreme area and S/R in to it. Unfortunately using LST required license for one computer. I got the file search using bergfiles, the 2 PDF material and the videos are a very good learning material though.

Big Move Caught by STAR,

.......STAR Guys, I remembered to read somewhere that its prohibited to display the pips result from STAR, please any of you remind me and I would delete the second picture.....

Despite the short term move (M0.25 - M30) that we took everyday, we were recently caught the Big Move of Chf pairs on Sept 6th, GCf made more than 1240 pips in 3 hours. It was a CSA though.

The below result was my Demo account. GCf 0.5 lot (while CfJ tandem 0.1 lot). I took lesser for my live account. These have nearly doubled my demo account from 6.000 to 11.000 in just 3 hours (the text on 1st pic was a mistype).

Harvesting my pips, I was thinking that I have to take a break for today and have an ample time to post here.

The pic was snapped right after my target hit, check the price on 2nd pic if you like.

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/7956/gbpchf.gif

There was a failed setup of CfJpy, but I trade both in tandem as I was aware that the cause of the move was Chf getting weaker at the same time I witnessed both Gbp and Jpy getting Stronger. Despite that the setup was found on GCf, as a matter of fact all the Chf pairs were moving alike. I only took them both as they were move the most especially GCf.

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/1281/gcfcfj.gif

Although the move was occurred in 3 hour on Sept 6th, the setup was already triggered on Sept 2nd. I remembered that prior to the trigger I have warn the Chat that the next move would be on Chf pairs.

I have to admit that I am currently adapting the new template where STCers could adjust the speed to the full precision. I realize that we have the GCf setup on the watch-list. I just can't follow how was D** and Freakgib adjust the speed on GCf yet on the Sept 2nd they both came to conclude that GCf triggered Long while CfJ missed 2 pips from triggered Short.

I was lucky to read the chat history of them.

I know that they both evaluate GCf on higher TF but since I was in a hurry hunt for the train I came up with H4 setup (This was probably mean by Tom: Lost in a setup)

# On the 1st picture (GCf H4) You can see that the range between point of trigger to trend extreme was more than 1100 pips while the normal target 950 pips, nearly 1:1 RR. The normal stop should be a few pips under the trend extreme so that should not be a good RR though, but i don't want to miss this setup.

It's said that from the point of trigger the price might still move toward trend extreme or move away in our direction. But it was a nice hammer you see? So I thought I was going to take the trade with extra precaution applying price action and trend follower.

I put my Stop a few pip under retrace extreme (the trace is still there) and drew a trend line, and put my normal CSA target around the pullback extreme (as told) which coincidentally around my trend line. The price was reluctant to go long initially, and seemed like to breach my trend line but still far from my stop. I admit that a doubt was emerged (my only mistake trading STAR).

I applied the same strategy on my short on CfJ but the target was little bit lower (close to trend line), the trace was still there.

Though, It is advisably that for CSA exit strategy it would be wise strategy to split the target. 1st target should be around the pullback extreme while the second is trailed (move stop to BE on profit).

And finally, the move was there

Period oriented

muhhatta,

 

By period oriented, I assume you mean Ma of period 13 > 18 > 21 > 34 > 55 > 68 (or the reverse)?

 

regards

f451

Yes, but to make it easier, its better to just see the band of color since x1, x2 and x0,5 would have different value as in the book.

Just see the order of colors from main pivot, then the order would all flip/reversed, and later flip/reversed back in to the second stage

STAR in simple - First step (finding a full set of traits)

Guys, please remind me if I've gone too far and I will delete this post and ask forgive to Tom.

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h372/infomanager/-trait-set-layout.gif

The whole STAR traits hunting is finding the move that similar to the above example in order the pullback evaluation to be carry out (MP - Trend Extreme). Its just a move like a Zig Zag until Tr Ext.

The whole traits lay in the band of Thick MA (68) and Thin MA (13).

The above big move that is going to reverse is an uptrend, therefore we are going to evaluate it for a reversal (bullish to bearish). I assume a bullish traits setup for this post. You should be look for the move like the above example.

You are not necessary to look for a full move (although we expect that the move will develop to be like the above example) to begin your STAR work. Find a move (any TF) that its pattern similar to the example at least until a flip then keep move (MP - Flip - second stage) as your potential STAR setup.

Browse the Pairs using flip finder. When you get used with this flip searching, your eyes will no longer need flip finder. You only need to find a zig-zag like move.

Start with the tree cross template; (13-68) x 1, (13-68) x 2 or (13-68) x 0,5 to find your best TF.

You might start with (13-68) x 1 on 15M, whenever you didn't find a flip that seems like to continue up then switch to 7,5M (template (13-68) x 0,5), later switch to 5M, maybe 30M, 1H, 2H (13-68 x 2 on 2H), 4H, 8H and so on.

Save the chart (keep it open) and observe it develop to full STAR traits. Watch it grow and check its traits validity until you get the correct traits until trend extreme with the lowest TF.

When you get the full set of traits (MP - Tr Ext) then start to watch for pullback evaluation.

As yous several STAR potential setup grow, check its traits validity and drop if fail;

..... PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION FOR THE COLOR OF BAND OF MAs ; 13 MAs - Thin and 68 MAs - Thick ....

1. Main Pivot.

The first of my confusion when start STAR is this MP. MP is the actual reversal (start of the move) of the traits you are observing (it has its special validity, but its to be told if you were understand the basic setup).

MP is the lowest point of the price on the TF where you observe the traits.

2. Big Move/first stage.

From the MP, the band of 13 and 68 move up. See the order of the colors from low to up; thick (Gold - Plum) and thin (Gold - Plum)

3. Flip.

After the big move, there should be a flip where the price move bearish. Please note the highest point of the big move as the starting point of the flip move. It says that the band of color become period oriented. See that the order of the color reverse; from low to up; thick (Plum - Gold) and thin (Plum - Gold). The flip move should not exceeded the MP. Please notice that the thick gold should also made a turn (at least 1 pip)

4. Second Stage.

In the second stage There are 2 condition that confirm the second stage; The band of MA become period oriented like the first stage/the order of the color and the price exceeded the starting point of Flip (the price is higher). The Example shows that the color band have been period oriented but doesn't confirm the second stage until the price exceeded the flip starting point.

..... THE ABOVE POINTS ARE THE FIRST SET OF TRAITS YOU SHOULD BE HUNTING FOR POTENTIAL SETUP ...

5. Cut.

Cut is a price move down where the bar cut most or all or the Thick MAs. It is clearly stated in the Vid-1 that the valid Cut require that the Gold thin MA to cross/at least touch the Red thick MA. Additionally, the Cut could only be validate after the second stage begin. Therefore, any cut before the price exceeded the flip starting point should be considered not valid. This cut must also not create a flip. Zoom in all the way in to check the band of MA. If you find the flip then you are in too fast of a time frame.

6.MAC

Move After Cut. It says that the whole band of MA become more parallel and steepening. Additionally the band of MA should be period oriented before trend extreme. The example pic above is not a good sample of MAC

7. Trend Extreme.

Tr Ext is the last traits to be observed. Its the last upthrust move of the price. The word should self explain.

In short; - Look at the picture, the full set of traits where pullback to be expected should be look like the example.

- Browse through several potential setup (flip finding)

- Check the traits validity against the criteria, watch it grows until tr ext

Finding the whole traits set up then you could start pullback evaluation that maybe result in PTS, STS or CSA, CSAA, or CSAAA.

God,,, I could not find any easier word to explain STAR. If any of you still saying "I didn't get it", forgive me you should have stop reading about STAR.

Only if you could understand traits hunting then we could proceed to pullback evaluation. I consider it second step.

Guys maybe I'm an ***** but I don't understand anything from the ebook,the videos are nut much help at all .All I read is find the main pivot wait for a flip then another flip than a cut and bla bla blaaaaa.I heard of this system a long time ago and everytime I tried to learn it I got bored and confused.

Can someone PLEASE DRAW ME A ROUGH EXPLANATION ???

I AM LOOKING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.....

OFCOURS THIS IS A JOKE DRAWING

 

http://i56.tinypic.com/or05l2.jpg

 

Thank you

Dear 20cm, the big picture of a full trait set (an exhausted move) that you should be looking for should be like the picture posted by retry99 (post #194 page 20)

http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h372/infomanager/-trait-set-layout.gif

And here is the CUT check using precision template capability:

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6228/aj5mtraitscut.gif

Again, you will get if you ask

Hope this help you all guys

Muh, I understand your points completely. But IMO, for the majority of visitor here the setup picture would be more useful for their learning stage.

 

Good work

Sir, yes Sir,,,

Well you maybe true Captain

by the way here is the traits set up (already the precision template), many question should arise if any of you really have read the book:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9928/aj5mtraits.gif

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/64/audjpy5m9augs.gif

Comments number are related to the figure 1 - 10 on the above image:

1. As I stated in post #483 I take profit on my PTS-long ride on post #482 (cross-correlative pairs of AudJpy and 2 more volatile correlative pairs) after an un-usual extreme move that penetrate their daily trend-line resistance which, coincidence, are aligned with AudJpy trend-extreme.

2. I paused to wait for AJ to develop. Whether this s/u is PTS or CSA would dictate my PTS paused trade (#482) is a pause or an end move. since p/b e/v state that AJ was CSA then I could tell that the PTS is just paused and I could wait for a re-entry on the right time. Therefore I could trade this AJ.

3. AJ did triggered just 15 pips dd from purple. I could expect the move of price to figure 5 or 6. As told, prepare your own exit strategy, it might help to draw a trend line.

4. The price indeed moved to figure 4 then 4a.

Honestly I was thinking that this is probably is going to failed but I was wrong (I forgot that I have faced this personal mistake several time, didn't trust the system)

4a. I should have hold my initial intention to treat Trend Line as just to help and rely solely on STAR. As price penetrate my TL line I begun to doubt.

4b. As the price re penetrate the TL and successfully test the "support became resistance" TL line I moved my Stop to 4a then going to bed (it was nearly midnight my time)

7-8-9. I was woke up for fasting-breakfast and down-prayer when I open my Notebook and see this impossible 280 pips move (my stop was surely taken out).

Now tell me, what "trend following system" or "what price action system" could tell that the STAR setup is not going to fail since point 4a-b. And what system could anticipate and tell that from figure 7 AJ should move more than 280 pips to fulfill its prophecy that has long before told by STAR (10 hours back at figure 3) while all other system telling to go short.

10. The move probably end so I check my paused PTS-Long and its correlative. At the time of AJ cross TL, at the same time the paused PTS and its correlative pairs bounce on daily TL and support (H1 and M15 made a rel candle). Base on these, at 20.00 GMT I already long on our Weekly PTS. As the time of writing (asian open) the PTS has move long more than 80 pips, but its correlative pairs have more than 140 pips.

I know I was a little bit gambling, maybe I should be patient for other confirmation to be align but I was prepare for a quick exit and tight SL (until confirmations aligned).

This is my style to trade STAR.

Maybe I was too tired to remember (at point 4) that I was occasionally made mistakes to doubt STAR when its not align with indicators and price action.

STC-Guys, maybe you realize that I was recently lack of chat since I trade STAR like this. Whenever a MT or LT setup run, I trade it in tandem with 2 other more volatile pairs.

I realize that in recent week the Fx pairs move double to triple of its usual daily ATR. Luckily that even our weekly PTS daily ATR was around 450 pips, their more volatile tandem could move 600 - 800 pips, even 1016 pips (yesterday). please notify that I mean pips, not micro-pips.

This made me miss the chat about the new template (precision templates)

Keep up the good trade guys,

Cheers

Yesterday's CSA Setup

This AudJpy CSA Setup has paused my Riding on its Cross-Correlative PTS move , I would elaborate this setup as a lesson but not the main PTS move that its cross-correlative as its still on the move (related to my post #482)

STC-guys, please remind me if this is an incursion of STC rule and I will delete it

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/64/audjpy5m9augs.gif

I only post the setup evaluation and not the traits evaluation. The traits was formed on 5M but the setup was on 10M x 0.764, seek for your self (pls don't ask me to put the meal on your mouth, sorry....)

The comment would come next

New developement

Could someone please repost the latest version of the system?

 

Thanks

Long time no post being busy riding a more than 1.300 pips PTS move in 7 days and keep going (I wish I could tell the forum due to the legal time).

More interestingly, I rode 2 of its more volatile cross correlative pairs. The first pair move 1.500 pips while the second 1.800. Some days I will recall this post for forumers studying (Insyaallah...). I don't know if any other STCers trade STAR like I do.

So busy I was that I miss the chat on the last development of precision-template. Hopefully the new development would give a more precise measurement to STAR.

Thank Tom and "T of Perth" for coding it.

Again, I'd like to recall my word, the true power of STAR is the Chat and watchlist. Personally I think it is not a big deal if the STAR e-book is illegally move around the net to entice the forumers as a starting point of learning.

Keep studying, we are here to help

Personally, I found the videos to be more confussing than a help.

Dear Juicy,

Maybe u r right on that statement (I stated it in my previous post). I was experiencing the some problem with you. First time watching the video leave nothing in my mind. Then I learn STAR e-book (I admit not yet purchasing it), only after understand Primary Setup then several questions came to my mind. Then I watch the video again where I found the answer that was not mention in the book (ex; criteria of valid Cut and second stage are not mentioned in the book but the video are)

Watching the video should only enhance your understanding of the book

C U Guys

It should work

To me it was not working on "m" suffix pairs broker but works on non "m" suffix pairs broker

Have a try

Numbers of triggered trades

Addition to Retry99 post, I would not jeopardize my valuable membership on STAR Premium. Its not just my membership that so valuable but the Chat and the Watch list where we work together and share setup. We are here for those of them that are willing to help themselves (and honestly I am expecting them to contribute to Premium forum later)

Therefore, I (we) could only share the thing that are belongs to my self (my knowledge on STAR).

I am not in support that Tom's copyright was dispersed illegally among the forum but to me (personally), this is just my personal opinion, this could bring advantages to Him (especially us in the Premium Forum) as this action could guide those of you who are deserve to be SUPERTRADERS. Additionally, material that dispersed just about 30% of the whole system.

So if that 30% has made you all the time saying "I didn't get it" why bother asking the rest 70% since all additional material were based on that 30% (Primary setup).

Indeed I have mentioned the number of current setup on the watch list but not in the exact number but regarding to number of triggered trade, to me I am a little bit doubt to release the exact number of triggered trades. But I remembered that I have read someone's post (probably Tom) on the other forum (maybe FPA) about the number of triggered trades since 2009 to 2010. On average, maybe about 15 trades a month.

But to my conclusion, I found that sometimes (about 1 of 3 trades) we post the trade on the chat but have a little time to post it on the watch list especially the short term since we need to react to the setup since it was nearly triggered. For the medium term probably we have enough time to prepare.

And sometimes if I were not on my Notebook for I while and suddenly return and load the chat history of the day, I found the guys have already talking about a setup. I jumped in to find out whether I could catch up the train.

Cheers

I LOVE MONDAY,,,

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/6168/chartc.gif

 

 

David & the other experts could you check out this chart and mention the reason the trade was stopped out, my analysis was obviously incorrect but i cant tell where.

 

I've marked the stages ..... main pivot ---->period oreientation ---->ribbon flip------>cut -----> trend exhaustion ----->pullback analysis ------> long entry ------>stopped out

 

many thx

Dear Herman,

Despite retry99 cool explanation, I can see that you began to get the point of traits. Its good to find picture of Retry99 to compare the form.

In simple word the form of a full traits set from main pivot to trend extreme is more like a zig zag, the first leg is MP and the other leg is trend extreme. The second line (that retrace) between the leg is the flip while before the end of the second leg would be interrupted by a little retrace (not causing flip) called cut.

Imaging that and the next step is just to confirm whether certain traits is valid or not

Keep trying

watch list GBPAUD H4 I STAGE FINISH

SECOND STEP START

http://i1195.photobucket.com/albums/aa393/fxnizar1/gbpaudh4new.gif

Please find the picture posted by Retry99 and compare your picture, the above picture didn't even close, hard to comment on it, sorry

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Hi Dave,

 

I have followed some of your other posts on this forum and am very impressed with your knowledge in the Forex trading, so I do not want to pick a fight with you.

 

But, I have to admit that even I think I have fully understand and mastered this system, but I can be wrong in interpreting some of the signals, because you can never be sure that you have really mastered this system and I definitely do not have the time or have the guts to demo trade or live trade this system to prove if I fully understand this system. So, fairly to say, I do not claim that I have fully mastered this system.

 

I don't know how to explain it to you, I just don't feel comfortable with this system after spending much time studying it. Something like: if you put 10 Elliot Wave experts in one room and give them the same chart and let them each label the wave counts on the chart, and again and again and again, people have proved that there will be definitely 10 different wave counts on the same chart.

 

These wave counts looks good in hind-sight but in real-time there will be millions of combinations that you can count. This system may not be that bad, but I can't find anther good example for it. In hind-sight, these flips and cut may look good, but in real-time, can you be honest enough to trade these signals with your real money? Any theory or any edge or any winning statistics behind these signals? I can't find any. I have traded Commodies/Futures and Futures Options for over 10 years, and Forex Futures for over 4 years. I have studied/written and tested thousands of systems over the years. And be honest with you that this system makes me very uncomfortable to trade with my real-money. It is all hind-sight stuff like all of the lagging indicators, MACD, RSI, CCI, Stochatics, Bollinger-Band.. and millions of their derivatives. etc.

 

I do not want to argue, just wanted to let people know that there are similar systems out there and please study more systems to compare them and see which one fit your trading style and personality the best. Do not try to force to fit yourself into the system, and people should try to find a good system to fit themselves, not the other way around. I do see lots of people here trying very hard to force to fit themselves into this (confused) system; at the end, people will find that is a very frustrating task.

 

Dave, if you can make money with this system, that is good. I just don't see any edge with this system. It is very much like the Elliot Wave system in my opinion. But, there are people out there making money with Elliot Wave system; but I never even dare to trade the Elliot Wave system with my real money in real-time. In hind-sight, everything looks good, even a simple two MA cross-over system will make you a weekend millionaire.

 

PEACE...

Max 10 or 11 are completely different, STAR uses MAs to identified an exhausted trend and locate the reversal turning point of certain time frame. Its not a trend follower using MAs

Thanks Muhhatta, any advice helps.

 

I must say from all the earlier posts in this forum I was expecting the system to be really complicated and hard to grasp.

But if you just take a bit of time and read the ebook thoroughly and watch the videos it will make sense (might be a bit hard for newbies who don't yet have a sense for how the market moves), but i really am seeing that this is going to be good at catching the moves.

 

I will become a paid STAR member soon as i know there are quite a few things to learn from the member site/forum that aren't made clear in the early versions of the ebook or videos.

See you all there soon

 

Thanks Wes

Look at Post #34 of STAR-Setup thread, the picture you should look for is similar to it, that is a MP, Flip, Second stage, Cut, move after cut, trend ext and pullback. If later you developed you'll come to such question; if the band of MAs like this,, is this valid for a flip, cut etc...

Honestly fist time I watch the first video I got no point at all as Tom said the chart he chose was tricky. Later when I apply the book after the first reading and began to understand I come up with several question. I look back and forth the book and didn't find the answer then I watch the video again. This look-up back and forth of the book that made me understand the system.

The second time I watch the video is very much different. Since I already understand the system, I began to get the details that already been mentioned in the video but not in the book such as; valid pivot, valid flip, valid cut, mac and what MA color should be cross by price of a valid pullback.

Keep trying

Muh,

 

I was just wondering how do you set a price line alert - meaning how do you know what price to put the alert on?

 

All the setups with w/r/t dont show anything except MP & TF...

 

What I am looking to do is only observe setups which are the closest to triggering an entry for the time being while I am learning, can you advise what status I would need to watch to do this? Then when I learn a little more I will monitor the trades which are two steps away from triggering entry and so on. Then in time hopefully I can find and evaluate full setups to share on the WL.

 

Thanks.

Once the traits are fully set until trend extreme, the only thing to look for is just pull back, when the pullback extreme done and price made a retrace then we could load x factor temp.

Whether pullback evaluation result Continuation, reversal, Secondary or CSA, my only concern now is just wait for the price to hit the purple line so I just put price line indicator close to the purple line. I could then evaluate other pairs or do something else waiting for alert.

Sorry I couldn't post any live setup (I believe it would be an incursion of someone's copyright). I could only have limited comment on historical setup.

We honored and thank Tom very much for sharing his incredible system and we would do our maximum effort for the shake of STC forum

Hi guys, here are some old "supposed" trade for EUR/USD (D1 TF). Just need to know if is a valid signal.

 

http://www.picturetogo.com/images/2011/05/06/24208-example.gif

http://www.picturetogo.com/images/2011/05/06/24211-example2.gif

http://www.picturetogo.com/images/2011/05/06/24212-example3.gif

 

Any help will be appreciate it.

Thanks

Dear Counde,

Please refer to fig 1 of the book, the pic should similar to that pic.

Your first picture have trend extreme and pullback in the wrong direction (the last bull zigzag might be a good setup on H4)

If the MP is up then the trend is heading down (bearish) then the flip should against the trend/prime stage (bullish), later the move of stage 2 should go with the trend (bearish) then made a CUT (bullish). Until this point your pic correct..

But,,,,,

After the CUT, the move should continue as the trend (bearish) and move beyond the beginning of cut. this strong move should cause a trend extreme. Your picture not even beyond the beginning of cut, not even any extreme.

The label cut - trend ext in your pic could be a flip in lesser degree while your pull ext maybe a trend extreme.

Imagine that the whole move is like a zigzag, the initial end would be MP and the other end Trend Ext, the midlle line should be the flip. The second line to the trend ext being intercept by Cut.

Remember that Cut and Pullback didn't make a flip

You began to get the point

ya its turn negative now few dollar.

i just find one thing, its h1 trade we must stick with hours not in days.

its closely 270 pip up then down tell me its good or not

Dear FxNizar,

Your pic has shown STAR traits. you just didn't label it right. That picture didn't suit for STAR Primary Setup since It didn't have a move after CUT. So we treat such move as CSA and 52s template.

The move that you caught is not a trend reversal, its just a temporary corrective before Continuation Signal. If you apply STAR strategy you should find result with Continuation Signal and miss that 270 pips (unless you apply Secondary, CSA or 52s and exit with a different strategy)