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Here is my problem now: some pointless threads may actually turn out to be dangerous because of the desperation of ppl to make money by any means. The thread concept sounds good, but no delivery and everyone seems to be in a blinkered frenzy. I like the concept, so ask questions, only to be fobbed-off. I report the resulting offensive and defamatory behaviour, but do not wish to be seen as a prude/pest, so I don't report too much. What next? At least with an EA, or a blatant scam, it can be discovered and assessed quickly. But there does not seem to be decisive rules here about prophets.

At least TradeVector was polite, had decorum and tried to structure his arguments. Again, sticking with the TV theme, I tune into channels that I want to watch.

My problem is that i've misjudged the ethos of this forum. I thought it was here to debunk false EAs, scams and false prophets. That there was a community of ppl ready to constructively criticise and not bury their heads in the sand by just changing channels. The threads I view and comment in are ones I am interested in - not ones I am not interested in. So I will continue to do this. It doesn't cause me a problem because I know my comments are mainly constructive. I could not find any thread in this section of the forum which discussed false prophets and how to deal with them, so that is why I created one. It's giving me a good insight into attitudes. Thanks.

Hi David, Yes I do report posts, but I rarely know the outcome, except if there has been a ban. I was thinking it might be useful if the mods did the same as they do with banned software: publish a list. So there would be a list of members with infractions and a list of banned ex-members, with reasons. That way, members would see the decisiveness of the mods. Edit: One problem is that there is no triangle for a thread - only a post!! I could send reports on most of the members ranting in "You Know Who's" current active thread, but I would probably end up being the one to be banned because of acting like a traffic warden clamping prams.

The moderators make the rules and decide how far to bend them. All I am interested in is to have a civil discussion on what should constitute a ban, particularly since I no longer know what is deemed to be an acceptable derogatory remark. I do not want to contribute to any II thread where I end up being treated with contempt and derision, harassment, or with the use of foul language, or religious/sexual hate bigotry, etc., only to discover that it was acceptable to the mods, despite the rules. The last time I saw increased uncivil activity here I stayed away for a few month hoping that it would be cleaned up; but no, as soon as I come back I see a real cesspit, particularly with the insidious use of polls. Even thank you, thank you, thank you posts are a mild irritant compared to that. So this is why I started this thread, to get opinions. I am not hurt by scammers or foul language, etc., but I am frustrated that multi-page threads build up with no discernible content or worthwhile discussion. Ignoring such threads is easy, but they will propagate like viruses until something is done: a moderator responsibility. Unless, of course the moderators discern that the membership want it that way. Again, I am only expressing an opinion (in the appropriate section of the site!) and want to read other opinions. I do not want to be a policeman for the site, or tell members what to do.

Hi Takingur$, No, not you. I remember the 311 thread: http://indo-investasi.com/showthread.php/8987-(Req)-Method311 where there was proper calm discussion about Donna and her site, which turned out to be a scam run by a marketeer, with an entire forum of unquestioning devotees. My worry is that some other new forex forum will be calmly discussing the ranting and raving of II in the future. I still like being at II and don't want to leave. But I don't want to contribute just to be humiliated. Regards.

Hi scwon, That is not my intention. I was asking for opinions and giving my own at the same time. That is all.

It seems to be more difficult to ban on II these days. One thing which is worse than profanity/discrimination, etc., is the ability of someone to lead others up the garden path to a promised end and not deliver. At what point do you decide to ban such a person? I would be interested to read your comments; they may also be useful to the mods in helping to gauge the attitude of members. Do you ban on past activity (e.g. threads closed for not keeping to the subject and just ranting)? Do you ban on non-delivery after x number of posts? Do you ban after members have asked reasonable questions about the system/software, etc., and been fobbed off, or even abused? I find it extraordinary that a self-appointed guru can rant rubbish and have what appears to be a major following of desperate ppl who ignore reason at all costs. Yet, this is what seems to be happening here, today, at II. You could easily argue that it is their own choice and responsibility. But when they get burned, the finger will point to II and the question will be asked: Why was a ban not imposed?

I don't think it is the holidays as I've just posted about this very subject today in this section of the forum (because of very blatant activity of certain members over profanity/sexual orientation/religion). I found your post because I am looking through this section for a thread about members leading other members up the garden path. If I don't find one I will start one.

I've been around this forum for quite some time and have found that lately, there has been an increase in profanity. I have reported some of the worst of it (including within the last day... you may guess who) and will continue to do so. This is not because I am some kind of prude, who analyses every sentence of every rule of the forum, but because intelligent ppl can always express themselves fully and pleasantly to others without being rude. Even more important, is the ability to make that other person see your point without them taking offense, or feeling wounded. That way, constructive arguments can be built. We really need to have some strong authoritative movement from the moderators, such as closing threads and banning ppl and stating they were closed/banned because of profanity/harassment, etc. Otherwise, II will become trashy, I'm sorry to say. Leading ppl up the garden path is another problem... but I will look for a more appropriate thread to discuss that. If there isn't one I'll start one in this section.